I would make a difference: web application and web site. Joomla, Drupal and TYPO3 are great to build websites and manage static and multimedia content and adding some of the social necessities. This is all representational. All the rest that is en vogue today, (social apps) and plattforms, requiere a thorough basis. That is where the "web application framework" come in handy. Or you choose a component library to be more flexible.
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Jose R. Prieto <joser.pri...@gmail.com>wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Is Joomla a Framework? > > > For me, it isn't.... > > > > > > Juampy72 escribió: > > > I think it's all about coding or not. Symfony not only helps you > > developing faster but also teaches you a lot of clean, beautiful > > programming. If you do not find this learning curve enriching, then I > > suggest you better go for other framework such as Joomla where > > everything is more visual and you do not need to see much code. > > > > Is anybody with me? > > > > On Sep 18, 12:09 pm, bghost <bggho...@gmail.com> <bggho...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> No, the crux of what I wanted to say is: > >> > >> Users should not spend more time to learn how some Web Framework > >> works but they need to learn a programming language. Any framework > >> should be only an auxiliary tool, not an entire small science. > >> So, simplicity and speed should be paramount. > >> > >> WBR, > >> Ghost3D > >> > >> On Sep 18, 5:30 pm, Sid Ferreira > >> <sid....@gmail.com><sid....@gmail.com>wrote: > >> > >>> The most easy thing to understand is something that doesn't need > >>> documentation and I believe that THIS is the point that BGhost is > talking > >>> about."I don't want launch a rocket in 30 days, I want my gallery ready > in > >>> 12 minutes..." > >>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:26, Thomas Rabaix > >>> <thomas.rab...@gmail.com><thomas.rab...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>> Symfony has many components, each of them are : > >>>> - easy to understand > >>>> - easy to configure > >>>> - very well documented > >>>> Now, the only thing complicated is to know how all these components > play > >>>> together. This is the tricky part, but symfony default configuration > will be > >>>> fine for many projects. > >>>> You just need to go further ... if you have already create/try to > implement > >>>> a framework, you will see that symfony has all STABLE the pieces you > need. > >>>> Try to use an IDE : netbeans or eclipse, these two IDE are great to > navigate > >>>> across the code and understand it. > >>>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:04 PM, bghost > >>>> <bggho...@gmail.com><bggho...@gmail.com>wrote: > >>>>> Hi Fabien, > >>>>> - With the introduction of the Doctrine ORM, number of parameters > >>>>> and configuration options are increased manifold. Therefore, the > >>>>> developer > >>>>> must first learn all about the Doctrine ORM. Is that good? Doctrine > >>>>> ORM > >>>>> already providing a fairly good possibilities and options without > >>>>> Symfony. > >>>>> - Symfony WEB forms are a bit too complicated and their relations > >>>>> with the rest of a Symfony application is often unclear. > >>>>> WBR, > >>>>> Ghost3D > >>>>> On Sep 18, 4:43 pm, Fabien Potencier <fabien.potenc...@symfony- > >>>>> project.com> wrote: > >>>>>> You say that symfony became too complicated, which implies it was > not > >>>>>> before. > >>>>>> Can you give us some examples of what became more complicated? That > will > >>>>>> help us improve the framework. > >>>>>> For instance, we have less and less configuration files. Since 1.0, > we > >>>>>> removed a lot of them, and removed some parameters also. > >>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>> Fabien > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Fabien Potencier > >>>>>> Sensio CEO - symfony lead developer > >>>>>> sensiolabs.com | symfony-project.org | fabien.potencier.org > >>>>>> Tél: +33 1 40 99 80 80 > >>>>>> bghost wrote: > >>>>>>> First, I would like to say that Symfony framework is not too bad, > >>>>>>> because I follow its development from the first version. But I > think > >>>>>>> it became too complicated because it is evident exaggeration > >>>>>>> with the introduction of countless parameters and configuration > >>>>>>> files in order to automate all possible tasks. This entails that > the > >>>>>>> programmer spends more time dealing with the Symfony framework > >>>>>>> than with the real problem. > >>>>>>> P.S. I did nothing special but just followed the Jobeet tutorial. > >>>>>>> WBR, > >>>>>>> Ghost3D > >>>>>>> On Sep 18, 4:24 pm, Sid Bachtiar > >>>>>>> <sid.bacht...@gmail.com><sid.bacht...@gmail.com>wrote: > >>>>>>>>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively > simple > >>>>>>>>> application. > >>>>>>>> If you're just learning Symfony, then yes of course you'll find it > >>>>> too > >>>>>>>> much effort. This is true with any other framework/technology. > >>>>>>>> But for those of us who have invested our time in Symfony, we find > >>>>>>>> great leverage in using Symfony. > >>>>>>>> So what is the relatively simple application you're trying to > build? > >>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:58 AM, bghost > >>>>>>>> <bggho...@gmail.com><bggho...@gmail.com>wrote: > >>>>>>>>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively > simple > >>>>>>>>> application. > >>>>>>>>> Productivity and profitability of such work is very questionable. > >>>>>>>>> So, Symfony - Goodbye > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Blue Horn Ltd - System Developmenthttp://bluehorn.co.nz > >>>> -- > >>>> Thomas Rabaix > >>>> http://rabaix.net > >>> -- > >>> Sidney G B Ferreira > >>> Desenvolvedor Web > >> > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJKtUe+AAoJEFlRSentq+j0fOEH/083osyNfs7NfO0nEYmnON46 > 1KxKUK+Q/Ht/yA9OyC20IKMPC+B5SiqPDJv6jfGZwpO6kHO6yGQ0ruOX51AHyXsZ > SRhvHA3DHKw5DgGFPK9q9PZ6O7NnDTgWgA35+mxc3sbBsQSA/VDflWsPHFe2UjmJ > 0rCpuoZIsm1Ccf49zDmk2iCbWS5QZg+V1NWeAwVDIddLlEvDRRkdqTINNgsQXtb5 > yrYzr7H3G6dSY73IH8r6cDZyV03WfHd7TqrrqU/lwsEmGwVYKcJlTYp9JFbrov39 > xPULBq0koOIW27HbCHJ73CMkPlf5AFT6IsrMz2DNwjIWasiopox8dEoMaUYgEKo= > =1lNi > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony users" group. 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