I think symfony is brilliant, If you need a framework which can scale to enterprise level websites with fast prototyping and a flexible ORM, then you don't need anything else. If you think it's complicated, then maybe you're in the wrong place.
If you want to build a small website with everything pre-configured, I'd probably stick with something like SilverStripe. P.s slagging off the framework in 2-3 lines is not very constructive for the users forum. On Sep 18, 6:09 pm, bghost <bggho...@gmail.com> wrote: > No, the crux of what I wanted to say is: > > Users should not spend more time to learn how some Web Framework > works but they need to learn a programming language. Any framework > should be only an auxiliary tool, not an entire small science. > So, simplicity and speed should be paramount. > > WBR, > Ghost3D > > On Sep 18, 5:30 pm, Sid Ferreira <sid....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > The most easy thing to understand is something that doesn't need > > documentation and I believe that THIS is the point that BGhost is talking > > about."I don't want launch a rocket in 30 days, I want my gallery ready in > > 12 minutes..." > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:26, Thomas Rabaix <thomas.rab...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > Symfony has many components, each of them are : > > > > - easy to understand > > > - easy to configure > > > - very well documented > > > > Now, the only thing complicated is to know how all these components play > > > together. This is the tricky part, but symfony default configuration will > > > be > > > fine for many projects. > > > > You just need to go further ... if you have already create/try to > > > implement > > > a framework, you will see that symfony has all STABLE the pieces you need. > > > Try to use an IDE : netbeans or eclipse, these two IDE are great to > > > navigate > > > across the code and understand it. > > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:04 PM, bghost <bggho...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi Fabien, > > > >> - With the introduction of the Doctrine ORM, number of parameters > > >> and configuration options are increased manifold. Therefore, the > > >> developer > > >> must first learn all about the Doctrine ORM. Is that good? Doctrine > > >> ORM > > >> already providing a fairly good possibilities and options without > > >> Symfony. > > > >> - Symfony WEB forms are a bit too complicated and their relations > > >> with the rest of a Symfony application is often unclear. > > > >> WBR, > > >> Ghost3D > > > >> On Sep 18, 4:43 pm, Fabien Potencier <fabien.potenc...@symfony- > > >> project.com> wrote: > > >> > You say that symfony became too complicated, which implies it was not > > >> > before. > > > >> > Can you give us some examples of what became more complicated? That > > >> > will > > >> > help us improve the framework. > > > >> > For instance, we have less and less configuration files. Since 1.0, we > > >> > removed a lot of them, and removed some parameters also. > > > >> > Thanks, > > >> > Fabien > > > >> > -- > > >> > Fabien Potencier > > >> > Sensio CEO - symfony lead developer > > >> > sensiolabs.com | symfony-project.org | fabien.potencier.org > > >> > Tél: +33 1 40 99 80 80 > > > >> > bghost wrote: > > > >> > > First, I would like to say that Symfony framework is not too bad, > > >> > > because I follow its development from the first version. But I think > > >> > > it became too complicated because it is evident exaggeration > > >> > > with the introduction of countless parameters and configuration > > >> > > files in order to automate all possible tasks. This entails that the > > >> > > programmer spends more time dealing with the Symfony framework > > >> > > than with the real problem. > > > >> > > P.S. I did nothing special but just followed the Jobeet tutorial. > > > >> > > WBR, > > >> > > Ghost3D > > > >> > > On Sep 18, 4:24 pm, Sid Bachtiar <sid.bacht...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > >>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively simple > > >> > >>> application. > > >> > >> If you're just learning Symfony, then yes of course you'll find it > > >> too > > >> > >> much effort. This is true with any other framework/technology. > > > >> > >> But for those of us who have invested our time in Symfony, we find > > >> > >> great leverage in using Symfony. > > > >> > >> So what is the relatively simple application you're trying to build? > > > >> > >> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:58 AM, bghost <bggho...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively simple > > >> > >>> application. > > >> > >>> Productivity and profitability of such work is very questionable. > > >> > >>> So, Symfony - Goodbye > > >> > >> -- > > >> > >> Blue Horn Ltd - System Developmenthttp://bluehorn.co.nz > > > > -- > > > Thomas Rabaix > > >http://rabaix.net > > > -- > > Sidney G B Ferreira > > Desenvolvedor Web --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony users" group. 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