Hi Rob, Am Montag, 6. Oktober 2014, 14:56:22 schrieb Rob Owens: > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Martin Steigerwald" <mar...@lichtvoll.de> > > > > Heck, I started a thread here and then didn´t manage to take time to > > carefully > > read it and reply here and there as I see fit. But I challenged people on > > debian-user mailing list to constructively voice their concerns upstream, > > and even pointed them to this mailing list. As far as I saw *no one* of > > the posters in debian-user took up on that challenge. Which I view as a > > pity. Cause now actually you invited constructive feedback. I wonder > > whether I may forward your answer to debian-user so they see your > > statement of inviting constructive feedback. > > I am here from debian-user, due to Martin's suggestion. So now that he's > calling me out, I guess I'll post my questions :) > > For the record, I'm a sysadmin and not a developer. I imagine my questions > and opinions will reflect that.
Thank you for voicing your concerns as one of the many users who where not so hesitant to voice their concerns on the debian-user mailing list. > > Here the feedback I read over and over again is that you and RedHat > > basically forced the systemd decision onto other distributions. While I > > do not see how you actually can be powerful enough to do that, as we live > > in a free will zone. I do see tendencies that more and more stuff > > *depends* on systemd cause it needs features only available there. > > > > On of the most talked on things on debian-user is the logind thing. GNOME > > actually depends on it, as far as I know. While KDE in Debian still uses > > > ConsoleKit, as it seems to me when looking at the process list and finding: > On Debian, I came across an unusual dependency. Installing a cd burner > (brasero) required me to change my init system to systemd. Sounds kind of > ridiculous, I think. The dependency chain went like this: > > brasero -> gvfs -> gvfs-daemons -> udisks2 -> libpam-systemd -> systemd-sysv I really find this kind of chain quite ridiculous. But if its breakable at least as Martin told… still. I think its important to make sure that installing brasero does not accidentally switch a sysvinit system to systemd. As it would be the least a user would expect here and from common sense it does not even make sense. It may make sense technically as explained, but from a user and sysadmin point of view it does not make any sense at all and is quite disruptive. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 _______________________________________________ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
