And the people talking about money are arguing against themselves in any event. Old story: Man to beautiful woman in bar: Will you sleep with me for a million dollars? Beautiful woman: Of course. Man: Will you sleep with me for a dollar? Beautiful woman: Of course not. What do you think I am-some kind of whore? Man: We've already established that. We're now just negotiating price.
Those talking about money don't seem to have a problem with Ray's "pimping", they are just questioning whether or not he has done a good enough job. malmo seems to think that if he is making enough to buy his Mom a 5 million dollar house then that is enough. I think we can safely say that is not the case. Shawn's cut-off seems to be 1,000,000. It's likely less than that. I'll concede it should be greater than 1.00. So the number that should make people happy is somewhere between 1 dollar and 1,000,000. What is that number and do we know for sure that he is not getting it? As far as John Sun's comments are concerned, since when can business people be counted on to pay what the appropriate market is? Do a search and include dot-com and bubble in your search parameters. Draw your own conclusions. We don't know what he is getting. We can't guess. It might be enough. "Show me the money". Fred Finke wrote: > Hi. Fred Finke Here. > Actually I was not talking about money as everyone appears to be thinking. > I was strictly referring to the fact that, although I would never recommend > it to any HS athlete in any sport, we do not know the specifics of the > entire move. Maybe, just maybe, he is doing what he and his parents think > is best. Maybe he is really doing the best thing: Striking while the iron > is hot. > > Suppose (and if Webb took anything less, I would be surprised and > disappointed) he gets: > > a. -1 million dollar signing bonus (I would guess that is conservative > (that's 50K a year for life invested)) > b. -Guaranteed 4 year school scholarship of his choice (NO College > guarantees that, and I would bet ANYTHING that was part of the deal) > c. -Coaching that includes the guy that got him 3:53 (and you can be sure > that he will have access to other coaches as necessary) > d. -One of the best (if not THE best) manager in the game as his agent > (that can use the leverage of his other athletes to get Webb into races). > e. -The ability to pick and schedule ALL of his races (which I doubt would > just include 1500/mile races) around the worlds schedule instead of just the > collegiate schedule. > f. -Be surrounded by the support group that has worked so far (His HS > Coach, parents, girlfriend(?), etc) > g. -Be in a training group of HIS choice. > h. -Still race all the NCAA (XC, Indoors, Outdoors) races he wants (on his > schedule, as an open athlete) except for the NCAA championships. (What meet > would not want him in their race as a draw?) > > What could ANY college program do to top that set-up? > > And last but not least, I find it interesting (at least it appears to me) > that the common perception is that the progression of coaching excellence is > as follows:, club youth coaches, HS coaches, college coaches, elite coaches, > each having better coaches than the one before it. I still remember Radzko > (His HS coach, sp?) getting hammered during Webb's' junior year when he had > Webb pass on a race or two (I think it was national scholastic) and then > having Webb in some relays instead of open events (Penn relays?). As we all > know, there are rotten apples at ALL levels and there is excellence at ALL > levels. We may not want to sell Radzko short. > > In the final analysis, it comes down (IMHO) to what the athlete feels is > best for his success and his future. Obviously, he would have gotten good > coaching and racing experiences at Michigan, but who is to say that he did > not get an even BETTER situation? > > Fred > > PS-On the other hand, how about the experts that were screaming Ritzenheim > that was "overraced" in HS. Seems to me he is doing pretty well. (BTW, how > many of you experts knew that Ritz negative split almost EVERY 2K lap of the > 12K at the world XC Championships?) > > ******************************************************* > Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator > --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 > -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net > ******************************************************* > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Prizy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:51 AM > To: Fred Finke > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro" > > But, I believe Kobe played under 15 minutes per game his first year with the > Lakers. We'll never > know, but would he have been better prepared for the NBA if he had played > two years of college like > some other kid named Mike? > > Also, Tiger was one of the best in the world, and he and Kobe got multi > million dollar contracts. > > Webb's best time ranked him as the 78th??? 1500m guy. He'll probably reach > that sub-3:30 in the next > few years. But why take the sink-or-swim approach when a university with a > coach with proven > credentials was willing to pay for his training and travel to competition, > and also pick up the tab > for his education? I think one more year of college running would have done > wonders for his > development - above as well as below his shoulders. > > Two years of college seemed to work well for Carl Lewis. > > Fred Finke wrote: > > > Just curious, But does the name Kobe Bryant come to anyone's mind? (He did > > it straight out of HS! He did the same thing (yeah, what a stupid move. > ;) > > > > JMHO, But Scott Radzko got Webb to 3:53. Who is to say Webb will not get > > better? Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. > > > > On the other hand, I consider Webb an exception and would not recommend it > > to any other athletes. > > > > ******************************************************* > > Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator > > --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 > > -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net > > ******************************************************* > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:35 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: t-and-f: Webb "going pro" > > > > first of all, "going pro" is probably misleading- I doubt > > Webb is doing it for the money he could realistically expect > > in the next year or two. > > > > Second, > > > > Would anybody have said to Tiger Woods that he needed to > > stay at Stanford through a full four-year ride? > > Sure there's a difference- Woods had already won everything in sight. > > But if he'd stayed at Stanford we'd probably have been deprived > > of that 'rookie year' 13-stroke win at the Masters (or thereabouts). > > Hindsight is always perfect- he had no way of being certain > > he'd be hugely successful when he made the decision to break > > with the NCAA scene- there was a risk involved. If he'd been > > unsuccessful the naysayers would be harping about what a bad > > idea it is to leave college. > > > > You want a better example directly from our own sport-in fact a > > middle-distance racing example? > > Who fared better- Johnny Gray getting out of NCAA competition at > > the start, or Michael Granville slugging it out over four years > > and getting nowhere? > > Sure there are examples of success and failure both ways- > > but the Gray / Granville comparison is pretty startling. > > > > We'll never know if Gray would have got down to 1:42 and a very > > long successful career if he'd stayed in college, but it is clear > > that NOT going to college certainly didn't seem to hurt his progress! > > > > So let's give Webb a break, and see if he can follow the Johnny > > Gray model and become a medal contender at any competition in > > the world. I look forward to observing from the stands (and the > > satellite TV dish). > > > > RT
