"It isn't good either to start using a tag as a kind of prototype and offer it for voting later on."
Why not? In one case I had an idea for tag that turned out to be poor one. Testing it by using saved producing proposal that maybe would seem reasonable but would have many problems. 2015-03-03 14:35 GMT+01:00 Jan van Bekkum <jan.vanbek...@gmail.com>: > At this moment I have three proposals the comment stage (campsite > classification, vehicle storage, camping electricity supply) with a very > simple purpose: to fill holes in the mapping possibilities for overlanders > (people travelling for a long time with their own transport often through > developing countries). > > Because I was new to the voting process I haven't sent any voting > invitation yet. I first wanted to see how the process works. > > As stated earlier in this trail the discussion prior to the voting is more > important than the voting itself. In my case the initial discussion was > generally very good. Some outcomes: (1) tags become useful for a much wider > audience by a slightly different definition, (2) tags need to be adapted to > avoid confusion with an already existing tag with a different meaning, (3) > English may be improved (important for me as a not native speaker), (4) a > proposed new subtag is not needed because a tag covering the issue already > exists. However the discussion also developed into questioning tagging > decisions taken long ago that go far beyond the scope of my proposal (for > example shop vs. amenity) and may result in people rejecting a targeted > proposal because they want to make a very general point. > > It was also interesting to see that the number of people participating in > the discussion is very small compared to the number of people mapping. > Apparently tag definition isn't considered important by many. > > To be honest in the case of the proposal for the reception_desk I got the > impression that one voter had collected a lobby of people not necessarily > interested in the topic: copy/paste of comments, no prior participation in > the discussion. This behaviour wouldn't help the voting process. > > At the current level of maturity of OSM new tags often start within a > special interest group that may have its own data extraction or rendering > tools using tags that interest them independent of their status. Later on > the tags may be used by more people and show up in general rendering tools > > I don't think it is good to leave tags in a "floating state" for a long > time as it will prevent people from starting to use them. It isn't good > either to start using a tag as a kind of prototype and offer it for voting > later on. One wants to have as much clarity as possible before using a tag. > > I would strongly prefer to have a clear definition under what condition a > proposal passes. For example what are *significant *negative comments? > > In summary I doubt if the proposed changes will bring an improvement, but > I wonder if we need voting at all, or only the preceding discussion. > > Regards, > > Jan van Bekkum > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 7:47 AM Bryce Nesbitt <bry...@obviously.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> For me this shows that the current process for tag definition might miss >>> a few important steps. >>> >> >> +1 >> The process works well then the proposal itself is refined and improved >> through the process. The vote then becomes almost irrelevant. >> In general the main weakness I see is lack of real use. Until real >> mappers start mapping real things, the true tagging does not emerge. >> >> Perhaps we could: >> Make "trial tagging" for a time, then discuss, then retag everything to >> the final scheme. >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > >
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