On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 12:01:57PM +0200, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: > I intend to write a proposal for a new access=* value, but I don't know a > reasonable tag name. So I'm asking you for suggestions. > > We need the tag for Austrian road signs labelled "ausgenommen > Anrainerverkehr" or "ausgenommen Anliegerverkehr", where "ausgenommen" means > "excepted" and "Anrainerverkehr" or "Anliegerverkehr" is the word I am > struggling to translate. These signs are mostly used in conjunction with [no > vehicles] or [no motor vehicles] signs.
From my understanding this is exactly what destination is for. You are allowed to enter as long are allowed as a resident or visitor of a resident. The exact legal term is slightly different for different countries. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anlieger https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anrainer "Die österreichische Straßenverkehrsordnung kennt den Anrainerbegriff unter anderem in Verbindung mit Fahrverboten. Diese können mit Ausnahmen für Anrainer oder den Anrainerverkehr versehen sein. Der Unterschied liegt darin, dass im ersten Fall nur der Anrainer selbst über dieses Straßenstück zufahren darf, im zweiten die Anrainer selbst und alle, die zu den betroffenen Anrainern möchten. Somit besteht eine Ähnlichkeit mit dem Begriff des Anliegers aus der deutschen Rechtsprechung." For the non German speakers - It basically describes that there can be a difference between "Anrainer" which is the resident on a street and "Anrainerverkehr" which means residents and their visitors. Germany does not have this distinction. The last one is the German "Anlieger" and comparable to the "no thru traffic" and thus would be mapped as e.g. "motor_vehicle=destination". The "Anrainer" e.g. only residents would most likely translate to e.g. "motor_vehicle=private" as its ONLY for a really small known group of people and not for the public. > There are similar signs in Germany and Switzerland, although there has been > some debate whether the terms mean the same thing. So I am primarily > considering Austrian jurisdiction by now. The Germans or Swiss can then > decide whether they use the new access value or not. In the end it doesnt matter what the exact legal term is. You tag it destination and the router could probably tell you are in austria and there is a destination so i treat it slightly different. But stepping back a little - All this detail is irrelevant for routing/navigation application. In the end ALL access restrictions whatever their meaning is have to be treated as "destination" - even an access=private. When there is no other way the navigation application leads you to the next point on roads to that destination. If you are allowed to actually take the last 50m has to be decided by the driver itself. The navigaton application simply points you a direction. Flo PS: Making "access=destination" really behave correctly in navigational apps is REALLY complicated. Just increasing the graphs costs on that roads is plain wrong. Basically connected roads for destination restrictions build a subgraph which has a one time cost of entering it - not a per meter cost. -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de We need to self-defense - GnuPG/PGP enable your email today!
signature.asc
Description: Digital signature
_______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
