Il giorno dom, 24/06/2018 alle 17.42 +0100, Paul Allen ha scritto: > On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 5:22 PM, Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi <lomastrolo@gm > ail.com> wrote: > > I have already RFC-ed this proposal in 2016 but it remained there.I > > would like to go to the voting stage, please check it.https://wiki. > > openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/leisure%3Dracetrack > > > My vote is no. > > Because the proposal specifically excludes any other kind of racing > than motor racing. Other kinds of > racing (horse, dog, horse and trap, etc.) also refer to their > facilities as a racetrack. I object to you pre-empting > "racetrack" specifically for motor racing to the exclusion of any > other kind of racing. > > This means that when somebody wants to tag a dog track they'd have to > invent something like > leisure=dogtrack. Or they'd just use whatever their favourite editor > pops up as a preset in response > to "race" without investigating if it is actually appropriate. So > we'll end up with dog tracks mistagged > as leisure=racetrack, or tagged as a mix of leisure=dogtrack, > leisure=dog_racing, etc. > > I know you're interested only in car racing, but even that has > pitfalls. What about F1 racing versus stock car > racing? And are you also excluding motorbike racing? > > As it stands, your proposal is just going to end up with a mix of bad > tagging. IMO: if your proposal says > "this excludes XYZ" without it pointing to ways of tagging XYZ > because there aren't any ways of tagging > XYZ then it's a bad proposal. Because many people tagging using > their favourite editor are unlikely to read that > proposal (or the eventual wiki page) and won't get any alternative > presets presented to them to tag XYZ. > > If you amend your proposal so that leisure=racetrack applies to any > kind of racing and add a racetrack=* tag > with a few possible values such as motor_car, dog, horse, > horse_and_trap then it becomes more sensible. > But still needs some thought with regard to F1, stock car, etc. And > some thought as to multi-purpose tracks: > do they get semicolon-separated values or the value "mixed"? > > All in my opinion, of course. >
The main reason because I excluded non-motorised sports is because many of them seem to have an already established way of mapping. All this pages mention sports_centre and stadium as physical tag combination for related facilities: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Asport%3Ddog_racing https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Asport%3Dhorse_racing https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Dequestrian https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Asport%3Dbobsleigh https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Asport%3Dcycling https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Asport%3Dbmx In my opinion including all racing sports would be a problem and put a break on the "motorised" variable is the more viable way. As for the term "racetrack", I agree it's ambiguous and I accept suggestions. Maybe a more descriptive tag is needed (motor_something). About motor racing specialities, I think it's argument for the sport=* tag or another subtag someone may want to propose. This is not covered by the proposal. Lorenzo
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