On 31/10/18 12:33, Allan Mustard wrote:
Some responses to Warin:
On 10/31/2018 3:45 AM, Warin wrote:
Errr.
By combining Embassy with High Commission there is a decrease in
information.
No information is lost. "High Commission" is an embassy by another
name, between Commonwealth members. The term "high commission" would
be preserved both in the embassy=* tag and the name=* tag.
Mappers don't do sub tags well
Example;
Over 11,000 amenity=embassy
Some 4,000 diplomatic=*
Less than half the 'embassies' have the tag diplomatic, yet over 95%
have a name tag.
So they will use the name tag (that renders) together with the
amenity=embassy tag (that renders) but they are reluctant to use the
diplomatic tag (that does not render).
I think the same will occur to these embassy=* tags.
Another decrease in information is consulate and consult general ...
there may be more if I dig.
The VCDR does not mention embassy. It has 'mission' and 'consular'
but no 'embassy', nor 'high commission' etc.
As I pointed out in an earlier post, "embassy" technically and legally
consists of the people dispatched to a foreign country on a diplomatic
mission. By convention and in vernacular use, "embassy" is used to
denote the physical structure of the diplomatic mission in which said
people operate. The VCDR is a legal document (a treaty). It uses
legal language. I have provided a great deal of detail (much of which
would be captured in the wiki, ultimately) describing the various
flavors of diplomatic missions, which broadly speaking fall into three
categories: embassies, consulates, and other. If you doubt my word,
as you seem to, please consult with your local ministry of foreign
affairs. If you are willing to take the word of Wikipedia, its
article on diplomatic missions is pretty good:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_mission#Naming
Then the real fun begins. As I have read through the various
comments and suggestions, it has occurred to me that the following
hierarchy of tags would potentially fill the bill:
The three values/categories (embassy, consulate, other) would have
specific subcategories. If you wanted to do a key search in
overpass turbo, it would still be possible. The subcategories would be
* embassy=[embassy/yes, nunciature, high_commission,
interests_section, mission, delegation, branch_embassy]
* consulate=[consulate/yes, consulate_general, consular_agency,
consular_office, honorary_con
The above 'consolidations' ... loose information.
How do they lose information? All information is preserved in the
additional tags.
Those additional tags probably won't be used, see above.
If required that consolidation can be done in rendering.
But, I think, most renders now ignore them and simply render all of
them the same. And, I think, that will continue for quite some time.
If a render chose to distinguish between them then they can do so,
they cannot distinguish between an embassy and a high commission if
that information is not there.
I cannot conceive of a circumstance under which anyone would want to
render embassies and high commissions differently. They are different
names for the same level of diplomatic mission (a mission covered by
the VCDR and headed by an ambassador). If a renderer wanted to
distinguish them, it could be done with an IF statement testing the
existence of the string "high_commission" in either the name=* tag or
the embassy=* tag. Same goes for an overpass turbo search.
If there no difference then they would be the same name.
Could be construed as the same kind of thing as the tag
'minor_mission'. :)
Embassies and consulate are now rendered the same, that will probably
continue, even if they have different tags.
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