Hi Everyone, Thank you for the input and feedback thus far, any outstanding commentary is welcome. Amendments to the proposal include a definition of rideshare, example companies, and comment responses on the Discussion page. In-line comments here.
Anyone who would like to comment or bring up outstanding questions, please do so for another week. At the end of next week, this proposal could move to voting. Best, Clare On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 2:41 AM nathan case <nathanc...@outlook.com> wrote: > Clare: this is a good discussion to have. > > > > It seems as though the emergence of rideshare services is still being > addressed at various legal levels but, at least in the UK, rideshare > vehicles are not classed taxis and so are not ordinarily entitled to use > bus/taxi lanes. If situations exist where rideshares are specifically > allowed (or not), and that access is distinct from taxi or a regular > motor_vehicle, then a key should exist to denote that. I note that the > proposal has been updated to reflect such cases. > > > > > Joseph Eisenberg: But you will also need to add a definition of a > "rideshare vehicle", since this will need to be translated for places where > Lyft and Uber do not operate, and where English is not used (e.g. > Indonesia). Unfortunately I don't see a good online source for a definition. > > > > Perhaps such definitions are dependent upon local/national legislation. In > your follow on examples, do those services enjoy the same access rights as > PSVs? If yes, then perhaps they should simply be covered by that tag? If > they do not, do they have any additional or fewer access rights than simply > motor_vehicle/cycle? If not, then perhaps they should simply be covered by > those respective tags? > The legal designation could derive from venue/airport, local, county, state, or federal law. Just as u-turns are always technically legal in California unless prohibited, while in Washington they are prohibited unless permitted, there are local laws that are required to fully contextualize map data but are not represented within it. I don't foresee rideshare being default prohibited, so perhaps the example is too extreme, but nevertheless the goal is to encode the specific implications of local law for a given rideshare vehicle rather than law generally. > > > So a definition could be something along the lines of: “A private hire > vehicle, often booked through an online service or a mobile application, > that does not enjoy the same legal standing as a taxi service. Exact > definition may depend on local law but usually denotes services such as > Uber and Lyft.” > > > > A taxi that also takes bookings/collects fares via an app is still a taxi, > in my opinion. > > > > Regards, > > > > Nathan > > > > > > *From:* Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:32 AM > *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Rideshare Access > > > > Clare, > > > > The "proposal" section currently fails to include the actual proposal: > that is, what new key and tags are you proposing to use? > > > > It looks like the proposal is: "approve the use of the new key > "rideshare=" with values "yes" and "no" to specify legal access for > rideshare vehicles." > For the possible values, the expectation is that these include typical values <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#List_of_possible_values> for other vehicle access, such as {yes, no, designated, local, destination}. We typically encounter cases where the first two values are useful, as noted in the proposal. Cases of "designated" or "destination" access for rideshare vehicles are both plausible and possible. Possible keys are indicated in the existing Access page. > But you will also need to add a definition of a "rideshare vehicle", since > this will need to be translated for places where Lyft and Uber do not > operate, and where English is not used (e.g. Indonesia). Unfortunately I > don't see a good online source for a definition. > > > > Is a Gojek motorcycle a rideshare vehicle? See > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gojek > > What about pedicabs (tricycles) which are hailed with a smartphone app? > > Or should only passenger cars be included? > > What about taxis which also get fares via an app? > > > > - Joseph Eisenberg > > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 1:44 PM Clare Corthell via Tagging < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > Hi Tagging List, > > > > Here is the RFC for the proposal for rideshare vehicle access: > > > > Proposal: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Rideshare_Access > > Discussion: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Proposed_features/Rideshare_Access > > > > > This proposes the addition of rideshare as a use-based access mode for > land-based transportation. This would enable mapping restriction or > permission of rideshare vehicles to nodes and ways. As mentioned in the > proposal example cases > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Rideshare_Access#Case_.231:_Denver_Airport>, > this typically arises in dense traffic patterns such as airport pickup > zones. > > > > This proposal originated from the experience of the Lyft mapping team > seeking to improve the accuracy of routes we build from an OSM-based map. > Because our rideshare operations are North America based, we bring a > perspective that centers the policy for right-of-way in this context. We > would especially appreciate feedback on the applicability of this tagging > to other parts of the world. > > > > Looking forward to your commentary and feedback. > > > > Clare > > > > -- > > Clare Corthell > > Product Manager, Lyft Mapping > > *How Lyft Creates Hyper-Accurate Maps from Open-Source Maps and Real-Time > Data* > <https://eng.lyft.com/how-lyft-creates-hyper-accurate-maps-from-open-source-maps-and-real-time-data-8dcf9abdd46a> > > > [image: Image removed by sender.] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Clare Corthell Product Manager, Lyft Mapping *How Lyft Creates Hyper-Accurate Maps from Open-Source Maps and Real-Time Data <https://eng.lyft.com/how-lyft-creates-hyper-accurate-maps-from-open-source-maps-and-real-time-data-8dcf9abdd46a>*
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