On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 09:56, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> I am not saying that these stones should or not get a historic tag, but
> surely it isn’t an argument that one of the OpenStreetMap based maps
> highlights things based on a wildcard selection.
>

Not an argument, merely a piece of evidence to consider.


> If this tag would pose a problem for their rendering I am sure they would
> adjust the selection rules.
>

Or perhaps we should not force them to adjust their selection rules by
abusing
"historic" to mean "old."  We have start_date=* to specify that things are
old.

>
> Regarding “historic means historic as in the battle of Waterloo or the
> pyramids of Gizeh”, we have seen from previous discussion that this was a
> minority opinion.
>

An explanation, by one person, of what the wiki page says and the
distinction
between "historic" and "historical."  Those do not mean the same thinhg,
however much you wish them to.

On the one hand we have the wiki page, the distinction between
"historic" and "historical" and a map with the sole purpose of
rendering historic, rather than historical, objects.  On the other
hand we have people who insist that "historic" means "historical."

Many people see historic as a keyword for objects that typically could be
> seen as historic, but then includes any objects of the class, without
> further  differentiating them by “historic value”.
>

Many people do not read the wiki page.  Many people do not understand
the distinction between "historic" and "historical."

>
> We do not have different tags for truly historic wayside shrines or
> crosses and others. How many charcoal piles do you expect to be of
> exceptional historic value?
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/historic#values
>

I would expect a handful, at most, not the tens of thousands that have been
mapped.  Those SHOULD have been mapped with a lifecycle prefix.  But
people who don't understand the difference between "historic" and
"historical" and don't read the wiki misuse historic=* then document it.

>
> For guard stones I could imagine using the man_made key as well, but
> historic would seem to work because most of these are giving testimony of
> former times.
>

"Historic" does not mean "historical."  Those stones are historical but
they are not historic.  If you want to emphasise that they are old,
start_date=* is the way to go.

-- 
Paul
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