Hi Folks,
Its also worth looking at planning documents that highlight the “shared trails” and ‘key pedestrian circulation” areas as well as ‘On Road cycle lanes” https://vpa-web.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Botanic-Ridge-Precinct-Structure-Plan-updated-May-2017.pdf Cheers - Phil From: Sebastian Azagra via Talk-au <talk-au@openstreetmap.org> Sent: Sunday, 9 October 2022 10:17 PM To: Dian Ågesson <m...@diacritic.xyz> Cc: OSM Australian Talk List <talk-au@openstreetmap.org> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Cycle permissions by a user Dian, The permissive tag can be a bit misleading as it assume that permissions is allowed until such time that it is revoked. The reality is that the State Government or local council arent going to go and specifically revoke access to a user. Whatever happened to mapping what’s on the ground? I want to draw you attention to an example I can across today. This was had no visible sign to indicate it was a shared way but it is tagged as a shared way in OSM. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/903736648#map=17/-38.15145/145.29173 Can I get peoples opinion when it is acceptable to change the way too something more appropriate such as a footpath or set permissions to bicycle=no ? regards, Sebastian On 9 Oct 2022, at 12:18 pm, Dian Ågesson <m...@diacritic.xyz <mailto:m...@diacritic.xyz> > wrote: Hi all, The “best” tagging for some of these paths are inherently subjective, as there isn’t a tagging method that captures the subtleties involved. Firstly, distinguishing between a “foot way” and a sidewalk is a subjective decision. How far from a road does a parallel path be before it is no longer a sidewalk, for example. Secondly, there are multiple overlapping jurisdictions. In addition to each state’s road laws, each council’s local laws may prohibit or allow cyclists in specific areas. I don’t expect an average mapper to have a law degree, and, though it should be easy, it may not able to work out the exact legality of riding a bicycle in all situations. The best mapping will always rely on discretion. I don’t believe it is correct to assume a lack of signage is, on its own, enough to tag one way or another. At most, I would suggest a “bicycle=permissive” restriction to indicate the unclear legality on even well used paths. I don’t think going around adding a specific bicycle permissions to every footway is particularly productive. A routing service could easily make this a non-issue by offering an “ignore sidewalk” button. Dian On 2022-10-09 09:43, Sebastian Azagra via Talk-au wrote: An interesting post by aharvey in that thread. https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/use-of-bicycle-designated-vs-bicycle-yes-outside-of-germany/3230/38 regards, Sebastian On 9 Oct 2022, at 9:19 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefi...@gmail.com <mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com> > wrote: To open another can of worms, just spotted this linked from discussions on a completely different proposal: https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/use-of-bicycle-designated-vs-bicycle-yes-outside-of-germany/3230/23 So, what is the relation between designated & yes? Thanks Graeme _______________________________________________ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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