Hgw=service can be unpacked and tracks can be paved. The difference is the function, not the surface
m Op di 3 mrt. 2020 19:38 schreef Stijn Rombauts via Talk-be < talk-be@openstreetmap.org>: > Hi, > > 'Jaagpaden' are not always paved roads. Often compacted, gravel, earthen, > grassy, ... roads/tracks and then highway=track seems a better choice. > Sometimes the only thing that's left is just a path. Then the tag > service=towpath is rather odd. I use description=jaagpad. > And what about similar roads which usually have the same access > restrictions but are called 'haven' or 'havengebied' instead of 'jaagpad'? > > Regards, > > StijnRR > > > Op dinsdag 3 maart 2020 16:28:46 CET schreef Pieter Vander Vennet < > pieterv...@posteo.net>: > > > Hey Marc, > > Thanks for your response. > > IMHO all towpaths are indeed peculiar service roads, thus > 'highway=service' + 'service=towpath'. The wiki even mentions explicitly > that it should be a service road. > > The examples you sent are excellent examples where the legal signposting > didn't catch up with the historic usage. These clearly used to be > towpath but they didn't gain the legal recognition of a 'jaagpad'. > Personally, I would tag those with 'service=towpath' (reflecting the > historic usage) but not with 'towpath=yes', but this is very subject to > change. We might even consider `towpath=no` (with a note clarifying this > is legally _not_ a 'jaagpad') or `legal:towpath=no` or something similar. > > Another thought: if we are about using 'towpath=yes' to reflect the > legal status, I'm doubting that there is no better tag scheme for this. > > > Kind regards, Pieter > > > On 03.03.20 16:12, Marc Gemis wrote: > > I'm fine with explicitly mapping them. > > Isn't service=towpath strange on a way that is not tagged as > > highway=service? (but you know that I think they should have been > > mapped as highway=service in the first place, but this is not the > > case) > > > > So it's meant for all those that are explicitly signed as "Jaagpad" > > and not for any others? So this > > https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/3T0U_uBJxNXHfrgwdztQDQ is not a > > Jaagpad? (a bit further > > > https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=51.05439739997222&lng=4.4334043&z=17&focus=photo&pKey=cmVJ5z_VXnZqwsdrEK0aHw > > , but that still does not make it a Jaadpad?) > > > > m. > > > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 2:14 PM Pieter Vander Vennet > > <pieterv...@posteo.net> wrote: > >> Hello everyone, > >> > >> Even though the legal restrictions of 'Jaagpaden' (towpaths in proper > English) is already described in detail on the wiki, it would still be > useful to reflect the special status explicitly, in our case to give a > comfort bonus in cycling route planning but also for historical purposes. > >> > >> For context, a 'jaagpad', 'trekpad' or towing path is a path that used > to be used to (literally) tow boats through the canals, either with > manpower or horsepower and a rope attached to the boat - hence there are > never trees between a towpath. > >> > >> With the rise of cheap and powerful combustion engines, this practice > became disused and towpaths became service roads and cycleways. > >> > >> As stated, these often are excellent and heavily preferred by cyclists. > Normally, they are wide, asphalted, there are very few cars and especially: > there is the very nice scenery of the canal. > >> > >> Therefore, I would propose to introduce tagging in Belgium to tag > towpaths. > >> > >> > >> There are two ways to achieve this: > >> > >> - A towpath is typically a specific type of service road, so we can add > `service=towpath` > >> > >> - In the UK, the towpaths are tagged with `towpath=yes` > >> > >> Note that towpaths in Flanders are mostly signposted with an official > sign, even though that this is a bit of a legal remnant of a previous era. > However, it makes it very explicit and thus unambiguous to map. > >> > >> But now, for the serious questions: > >> > >> - what are your thoughts of mapping them somehow? IMHO it is an added > value and I'm quite in favour of them. > >> > >> - What is the best way of mapping them? I'm a bit on the edge of the > options above: `service=towpath` is IMHO semantically the most correct > form, as it indicates that it is a service road originally built for > towing. `towpath=yes` reeks more of the legal status (i.e. having a formal > road sign indicating 'jaagpad'). The latter has the advantage of already > being in use in the UK with over 3500 instances according to taginfo. > service=towpath is not in use at the moment. > >> > >> > >> PS: fun etymological fact: the English verb 'to tow' is derived from > the Dutch word for rope: 'touw' > >> > >> -- > >> Met vriendelijke groeten, > >> Pieter Vander Vennet > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Talk-be mailing list > >> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-be mailing list > > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > > -- > Met vriendelijke groeten, > Pieter Vander Vennet > _______________________________________________ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > _______________________________________________ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >
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