As we map what is on the ground, we do not have to care about that, I would assume. Let someone else fight with the people that place the signs.
m Op di 3 mrt. 2020 20:10 schreef Steven Clays <steven.cl...@gmail.com>: > To make it more complex, not every signposted towpath in Flanders is > legally a towpath. Check > http://www.start2boat.be/vaaropleiding/downloads/reglementen/Bijzondere%20reglementen.pdf > > Op di 3 mrt. 2020 om 19:38 schreef Stijn Rombauts via Talk-be < > talk-be@openstreetmap.org>: > >> Hi, >> >> 'Jaagpaden' are not always paved roads. Often compacted, gravel, earthen, >> grassy, ... roads/tracks and then highway=track seems a better choice. >> Sometimes the only thing that's left is just a path. Then the tag >> service=towpath is rather odd. I use description=jaagpad. >> And what about similar roads which usually have the same access >> restrictions but are called 'haven' or 'havengebied' instead of 'jaagpad'? >> >> Regards, >> >> StijnRR >> >> >> Op dinsdag 3 maart 2020 16:28:46 CET schreef Pieter Vander Vennet < >> pieterv...@posteo.net>: >> >> >> Hey Marc, >> >> Thanks for your response. >> >> IMHO all towpaths are indeed peculiar service roads, thus >> 'highway=service' + 'service=towpath'. The wiki even mentions explicitly >> that it should be a service road. >> >> The examples you sent are excellent examples where the legal signposting >> didn't catch up with the historic usage. These clearly used to be >> towpath but they didn't gain the legal recognition of a 'jaagpad'. >> Personally, I would tag those with 'service=towpath' (reflecting the >> historic usage) but not with 'towpath=yes', but this is very subject to >> change. We might even consider `towpath=no` (with a note clarifying this >> is legally _not_ a 'jaagpad') or `legal:towpath=no` or something similar. >> >> Another thought: if we are about using 'towpath=yes' to reflect the >> legal status, I'm doubting that there is no better tag scheme for this. >> >> >> Kind regards, Pieter >> >> >> On 03.03.20 16:12, Marc Gemis wrote: >> > I'm fine with explicitly mapping them. >> > Isn't service=towpath strange on a way that is not tagged as >> > highway=service? (but you know that I think they should have been >> > mapped as highway=service in the first place, but this is not the >> > case) >> > >> > So it's meant for all those that are explicitly signed as "Jaagpad" >> > and not for any others? So this >> > https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/3T0U_uBJxNXHfrgwdztQDQ is not a >> > Jaagpad? (a bit further >> > >> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=51.05439739997222&lng=4.4334043&z=17&focus=photo&pKey=cmVJ5z_VXnZqwsdrEK0aHw >> > , but that still does not make it a Jaadpad?) >> > >> > m. >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 2:14 PM Pieter Vander Vennet >> > <pieterv...@posteo.net> wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> >> >> Even though the legal restrictions of 'Jaagpaden' (towpaths in proper >> English) is already described in detail on the wiki, it would still be >> useful to reflect the special status explicitly, in our case to give a >> comfort bonus in cycling route planning but also for historical purposes. >> >> >> >> For context, a 'jaagpad', 'trekpad' or towing path is a path that used >> to be used to (literally) tow boats through the canals, either with >> manpower or horsepower and a rope attached to the boat - hence there are >> never trees between a towpath. >> >> >> >> With the rise of cheap and powerful combustion engines, this practice >> became disused and towpaths became service roads and cycleways. >> >> >> >> As stated, these often are excellent and heavily preferred by >> cyclists. Normally, they are wide, asphalted, there are very few cars and >> especially: there is the very nice scenery of the canal. >> >> >> >> Therefore, I would propose to introduce tagging in Belgium to tag >> towpaths. >> >> >> >> >> >> There are two ways to achieve this: >> >> >> >> - A towpath is typically a specific type of service road, so we can >> add `service=towpath` >> >> >> >> - In the UK, the towpaths are tagged with `towpath=yes` >> >> >> >> Note that towpaths in Flanders are mostly signposted with an official >> sign, even though that this is a bit of a legal remnant of a previous era. >> However, it makes it very explicit and thus unambiguous to map. >> >> >> >> But now, for the serious questions: >> >> >> >> - what are your thoughts of mapping them somehow? IMHO it is an added >> value and I'm quite in favour of them. >> >> >> >> - What is the best way of mapping them? I'm a bit on the edge of the >> options above: `service=towpath` is IMHO semantically the most correct >> form, as it indicates that it is a service road originally built for >> towing. `towpath=yes` reeks more of the legal status (i.e. having a formal >> road sign indicating 'jaagpad'). The latter has the advantage of already >> being in use in the UK with over 3500 instances according to taginfo. >> service=towpath is not in use at the moment. >> >> >> >> >> >> PS: fun etymological fact: the English verb 'to tow' is derived from >> the Dutch word for rope: 'touw' >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Met vriendelijke groeten, >> >> Pieter Vander Vennet >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Talk-be mailing list >> >> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Talk-be mailing list >> > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> >> >> -- >> Met vriendelijke groeten, >> Pieter Vander Vennet >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-be mailing list >> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-be mailing list >> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> > _______________________________________________ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >
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