"Raise matters" isn't something I did, it is something I am doing, as in continuing dialog. Donc, merci pour la suggestion, mes deux années d'écolier français devront suffire. This discussion did start in English. If you think a wiki page with a simple table sketches out "here's how we do this" (we've got one here for BART, https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Rapid_Transit and it syncs with https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/California/Railroads ) as in "it doesn't take much effort to say 'do it like this,'" hey, great. I'm all for that sort of documentation and consistency and "let's communicate well."
Really, some guy in California and some guy in a larger neighboring country (with the longest, perhaps most lightly-protected border on Earth, displaying obvious trust, history and centuries of good will) having a discussion about improving/developing transport tagging doesn't seem it should feel this antagonistic. Abbreviate, or don't. Pay attention to infrastructure tagging, or don't. More (or less) closely align with USA and OpenRailWay mapping conventions (there are differences, it makes sense for countries to say "here's how WE do it" and "here's how we AND OUR NEIGHBORS do it" makes sense for trains and bus schedules and bike routes. Or don't. These things really are international and good dialog makes good protocols. We're simply people talking on a mailing list; I happen to believe that it's good that we do. Good dialog is good OSM. SteveA California (DJT, not JDT, of course) > On Aug 12, 2018, at 3:15 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: > > If you wish to raise matters about local mapping in Montreal I suggest you > use French as it is the language that most Montreal mappers are familiar with. > > Cheerio John > > On 12 August 2018 at 17:37, OSM Volunteer stevea <stevea...@softworkers.com> > wrote: > John, especially in light that we both volunteer in a wonderful organization > like OSM, I consider neither of us poor. Truly, I mean that. > > It wouldn't be "confused" that I might be. It would be much more leaning > towards, if not firmly in, the camp of "abbreviating in OSM key:value pairs > is frowned upon because it maps backwards incompletely." That is a fair > logical/mathematical/linguistic/database point. Getting line-renderers to > pay attention to short_name or alt_name or local_name or coalesce on > something sensible, sure, that's a happy place. I'd love to see a transport > renderer that is wicked-smart with v2 and even v3 savvy colors, naming, > routes and a "visual pop" that a good map does simply as you look at it. > That starts with good tagging including good discussion about tagging. > Simple as walking. > > Politics aside and whether hordes flee JDT or not, I am talking about good > tagging in OSM as transport networks and how they are named and "get smart" > really is happening all over Earth. Good protocols to "we're all paying > attention together" works. Whether ISO/UN/IEEE or other acronyms and how a > committee really can get the phones to connect and the trains running on > time, the ideas behind "let's agree on good language and tagging..." work, > this is simply being good neighbors. A big human family sharing a map acts > like a big human family sharing a map. We seem to continue to do that here > in talk-ca, talk-us and so on. Thank you. > > SteveA > California > > > On Aug 12, 2018, at 2:17 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Good heavens you mean we should spell out OCtranspo as Ottawa Carleton > > Transpo in case any American tourists get confused? > > > > Unfortunately the locals will probably get confused with this and whilst we > > should cater to these foreign tourists I think what is on the signs locally > > will be less confusing to the locals unless of course we get many more > > people streaming in to escape Donald. > > > > Or have I misunderstood some poor American? > > > > Cheerio John > > > > On Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 4:48 pm OSM Volunteer stevea, > > <stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote: > > Dusting off a month-old thread... > > > > Damien and Jarek, it seems the examples listed below both fit into a > > "citizen mappers coalescing on a local/regional way to do things" as well > > as a "somebody unfamiliar with Canadian transport mapping w.r.t. naming, > > network and operator tag conventions" (maybe who reads our wikis, maybe who > > does OT queries...) can figure this out quickly and sensibly. It's great > > to see that's where things have landed, pretty close to a > > sweet-spot/bullseye. > > > > However (if I have to "spoil" a good thing, oh, well, this is a discussion > > forum...) I do think that operator=RATP is a bit curt even as "tout le > > monde à Paris sait ce que signifie la RATP." (I recall being asked in a > > Regional Transportation Commission meeting what AASHTO stood for and I got > > it wrong, but then quickly got it right on the next try seconds later, > > alas, "too late"). It is true that an OSM convention is name=Saint Louis > > instead of name=St. Louis; abbreviations are frowned upon in databases like > > OSM because they are "one-way in the wrong way." Please let us not allow > > perfection to become the enemy of the very good or even excellent and > > well-thought out and discussed, as are developing public_transport OSM data > > in Canada. We're making a great map. > > > > Thank you again for spirited and interesting discussion. > > > > SteveA > > California > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 2018, at 6:06 PM, Damien Riegel <damien.rie...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > On 12 July 2018 at 17:17, OSM Volunteer stevea > > > <stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote: > > > On Jul 12, 2018, at 1:46 PM, Jarek Piórkowski <ja...@piorkowski.ca> wrote: > > > > Damien's question appears to be about nodes like > > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/438843513, which has > > > > name=Berri-UQAM, operator=Société de transport de Montréal. > > > > short_name=STM seems inappropriate here, we could do > > > > operator:short_name=STM or something but it seems a bit much. > > > > > > Thank you for your analysis and reporting to the list, Jarek! Yes, I > > > agree that operator:short_name=STM is a bit of "overkill" (getting > > > over-specific on the key side). > > > > > > > The nearby station https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/26233453 has > > > > name=Jean-Drapeau, network=STM, operator=Société de transport de > > > > Montréal which seems like an attempt as good as we might get. Commuter > > > > rail station https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/548900549 has > > > > network=RTM, operator=Réseau de transport métropolitain which fits > > > > that scheme as well. Similar with a random bus line on North Shore > > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3472432 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-ca mailing list > > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > _______________________________________________ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
