I think OSRM for bicycles prefer roads to sidewalks as a base value. And prefer cycleways even more than roads
On Fri., Apr. 3, 2020, 11:01 a.m. Nate Wessel, <bike...@gmail.com> wrote: > I've been using OSRM a lot for bicycle routing in Toronto and haven't seen > many route suggestions that I would consider terribly unreasonable. > Sidewalks only ever appear at the start/end of a route because they may be > slightly closer to the requested destination. > > Nate Wessel, PhD > Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd > NateWessel.com <https://www.natewessel.com> > On 2020-04-03 10:51 a.m., Pierre-Léo Bourbonnais wrote: > > For our researches, we use the OSRM routing engine, in which the default > profile for bicycle sets the footway to walking speed (5 km/h) instead of > bicycle speed (around 15-20 km/h), which is the same as dismounting for > routing purpose. > > On Apr 3, 2020, at 10:46, Nate Wessel <bike...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Which routing engines are causing problems exactly? Routing a bicycle on a > sidewalk may be appropriate/reasonable in some cases and over short > distances where one could be instructed to dismount and walk. I'd be > interested to see some of the problematic routes that are being suggested > to see if there isn't a more elegant way of resolving this. > > I personally only use explicit access tags where there is clear signage > indicating some type of special access restriction. Otherwise the default > should be assumed. Routing engines *should* be able to accommodate region > differences in default values without needing to manually tag millions of > ways. Whether they can or do allow that is a problem for the people > developing the routing engines. > > Nate Wessel, PhD > Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd > NateWessel.com <https://www.natewessel.com/> > On 2020-04-03 10:39 a.m., John Whelan wrote: > > I'd recommend bicycle=no and I live in Ottawa. In Ottawa footpaths that > connect in general are bicycle=yes as they come under municipal regulation > but a sidewalk on a highway comes under provincial legislation which bans > bicycles on sidewalks. Sparks street is fun I think you are not permitted > to ride your bicycle but I'm unsure if this is provincial, municipal or it > might even be NCC which is federal of course. > > In the UK they are banned by law but in certain cities the Chief Constable > has stated the law will not be enforced within the police force boundaries > as a letter of interpretation. It might be nice for Ottawa to do the same > sometime but there again we have City of Ottawa police, OPP, RCMP and of > course the PPS. > > Cheerio John > > James wrote on 2020-04-03 10:25 AM: > > I don't think it's more tagging for the renderer as much as it's being > more specific(more data) to specify a abstract view: without knowledge of > Canadian/Provincial/Municipal laws about biking on sidewalks. > > I think Montreal and Gatineau are more enforced as Ottawa it is illegal to > bike on the sidewalk, but people are still doing it, but that's beside the > point. > > On Fri., Apr. 3, 2020, 10:18 a.m. Pierre-Léo Bourbonnais via Talk-ca, < > talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I would like to start a discussion on how we should deal with sidewalks >> tagged separately, like it is is done in downtown Ottawa and like we are >> starting to do in the Montreal region. >> >> The issue is that by default highway=footway with or without >> footway=sidewalk should have an implicit bicycle=no by default according to >> this page: >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions >> >> However, some osm users told me I should tag them with bicycle=no >> everywhere because routing engines use sidewalks for bicycle routing which >> is illegal in most part of Canada. >> >> What are your thoughts on this ? Should we adapt to routing engines or >> should routing engines fix the issue themselves? >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ca mailing > listTalk-ca@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > > -- > Sent from Postbox <https://www.postbox-inc.com/> > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ca mailing > listTalk-ca@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >
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