On 09-02-25 11:44:05 CET, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2009/2/24 Tobias Wendorff <tobias.wendo...@uni-dortmund.de>:
> > Robert Joop schrieb:
> >> ich hab mir grad mal drei fahrradstra�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xDF
> >> 0x65, restart at 0x65]]en hier angeguckt: weder in mapnik,
> >> osmarender oder cycle map ist eine von ihnen erkennbar!
> >
> > Hm, ja und? Ist halt ein Fehler in der Anwendung ... kommt vor.
>
> die Frage waere doch als erstes, wie diese Strassen getaggt sind. Ich
> hatte verstanden, dass diese Strassen als Fahrradwege getaggt sind,
> und daher nicht als Strassen erkennbar sind (und z.B. frueher als
> Strassen beim Zoomen verschwinden, etc.). Moeglich waere natuerlich
> auch, dass sie als Strassen mit besonderen Access rules getaggt sind
> und das im Rendering nicht rueberkommt oder dass sie mit dem neuen Tag
> Fahrradstrasse getaggt sind und den noch keiner kennt.
wenn man sich die history der bergmannstra�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xDF
0x65, restart at 0x65]]e-ost in berlin-kreuzberg
ansieht, ziemlich chaotisch (bisherige history siehe unten), allein was
highway= angeht: residential, cycleroad, tertiary, cycleway, path.
momentan ist es dieser wust an tags:
<tag k="name" v="Bergmannstra�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xDF 0x65,
restart at 0x65]]e"/>
<tag k="bicycle" v="designated"/>
<tag k="motorcar" v="destination"/>
<tag k="maxspeed" v="30"/>
<tag k="motorcycle" v="destination"/>
<tag k="highway" v="residential"/>
<tag k="foot" v="yes"/>
selbst tertiary ist nicht falsch, laut wiki-seite "map features" ist
das f�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xFC 0x72, restart at 0x72]]r
stra�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xDF 0x65, restart at 0x65]]en mit
durchfahrtscharakter, und den hat sie - f�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xFC
0x72, restart at 0x72]]r den
radverkehr.
nicht-radverkehr ist allerdings auf anlieger beschr�[[byte 2 isn't
continuation: 0xE4 0x6E, restart at 0x6E]]nkt.
baulich sieht sie auch aus wie andere mit tertiary getaggte stra�[[byte 2
isn't continuation: 0xDF 0x65, restart at 0x65]]en in
der gegend.
ich hielte es f�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xFC 0x72, restart at 0x72]]r am
passendsten, ein tag cycleroad einzuf�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xFC 0x68,
restart at 0x68]]hren, und
diese stra�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xDF 0x65, restart at 0x65]]en wie
residential zu rendern, nur mit einem blassen blauton.
oder haltet ihr es f�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xFC 0x72, restart at
0x72]]r real machbar, die rendererregelwerke so zu
trimmen, dass sie die fahrradstra�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xDF 0x65,
restart at 0x65]]en anhand der tags zuverl�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xE4
0x73, restart at 0x73]]ssig
erkennen?
w�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xFC 0x72, restart at 0x72]]rde ein
bicycle=designated daf�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xFC 0x72, restart at
0x72]]r reichen?
das w�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xFC 0x72, restart at 0x72]]rde dann noch
voraussetzen, dass die fahrradstra�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xDF 0x65,
restart at 0x65]]en einheitlich
genug getaggt werden...
das maxspeed=30 z.b. halte ich f�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xFC 0x72,
restart at 0x72]]r bedenklich, denn es folgt weder
aus der ausschilderung noch aus der StVO, sondern lediglich aus einem
gerichtsurteil?
wenn die hM sich dahingehend �[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xE4 0x6E, restart
at 0x6E]]ndert, 20 km/h f�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xFC 0x72, restart at
0x72]]r die "m�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xE4 0xDF, restart at
0xDF]]�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xDF 0x69, restart at 0x69]]ige
geschwindigkeit" zu halten, dann sind die tags falsch.
bei den verkehrsberuhigten bereichen gehen die meinungen der richter,
was denn "schrittgeschwindigkeit" sei, auseinander.
da haben wir allerdings kein problem beim taggen, denn da haben wir
das tag highway=living_street, die geschwindkeitsbegrenzung ergibt
sich implizit.
die bisherige history:
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user="DarkAngel">
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<tag k="name" v="Bergmannstra�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xDF 0x65,
restart at 0x65]]e"/>
<tag k="bicycle" v="yes"/>
<tag k="motorcar" v="destination"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.10b"/>
<tag k="motorcycle" v="destination"/>
<tag k="highway" v="residential"/>
<tag k="foot" v="yes"/>
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<tag k="name" v="Bergmannstra�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xDF 0x65,
restart at 0x65]]e"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.10b"/>
<tag k="highway" v="cycleroad"/>
<tag k="access" v="destination"/>
</way>
<way id="27244587" visible="true" timestamp="2008-10-25T06:59:36+01:00"
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<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.10b"/>
<tag k="highway" v="cycleway"/>
<tag k="access" v="destination"/>
</way>
<way id="27244587" visible="true" timestamp="2008-10-28T15:23:28+00:00"
user="geozeisig">
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<tag k="motorcar" v="yes"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.10b"/>
<tag k="highway" v="cycleway"/>
</way>
<way id="27244587" visible="true" timestamp="2008-11-07T01:41:47+00:00"
user="TEL0000">
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<tag k="name" v="Bergmannstra�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xDF 0x65,
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<tag k="motorcar" v="yes"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.10f"/>
<tag k="highway" v="cycleway"/>
</way>
<way id="27244587" visible="true" timestamp="2008-11-15T09:54:47+00:00"
user="CliffBarnes">
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<tag k="name" v="Bergmannstra�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xDF 0x65,
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<tag k="motorcar" v="yes"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.10f"/>
<tag k="highway" v="tertiary"/>
</way>
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<tag k="name" v="Bergmannstra�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xDF 0x65,
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<tag k="motorcar" v="yes"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.10f"/>
<tag k="highway" v="tertiary"/>
<tag k="cycleway" v="opposite"/>
</way>
<way id="27244587" visible="true" timestamp="2008-11-27T14:38:38+00:00"
user="DarkAngel">
<nd ref="315059267"/>
<nd ref="103884767"/>
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<tag k="name" v="Bergmannstra�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xDF 0x65,
restart at 0x65]]e"/>
<tag k="history" v="Retrieved from v2"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.10f"/>
<tag k="highway" v="cycleroad"/>
<tag k="access" v="destination"/>
</way>
<way id="27244587" visible="true" timestamp="2008-11-27T14:38:57+00:00"
user="DarkAngel">
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<tag k="name" v="Bergmannstra�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xDF 0x65,
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<tag k="motorcar" v="yes"/>
<tag k="history" v="Retrieved from v7"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.10f"/>
<tag k="highway" v="tertiary"/>
<tag k="cycleway" v="opposite"/>
</way>
<way id="27244587" visible="true" timestamp="2008-11-27T14:44:51+00:00"
user="DarkAngel">
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<tag k="name" v="Bergmannstra�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xDF 0x65,
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<tag k="bicycle" v="yes"/>
<tag k="motorcar" v="destination"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.10f"/>
<tag k="motorcycle" v="destination"/>
<tag k="highway" v="cycleroad"/>
<tag k="cycleway" v="opposite"/>
</way>
<way id="27244587" visible="true" timestamp="2009-01-11T22:08:51+00:00"
user="eike">
<nd ref="27432743"/>
<nd ref="103884767"/>
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<tag k="bicycle" v="yes"/>
<tag k="motorcar" v="destination"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.10f"/>
<tag k="motorcycle" v="destination"/>
<tag k="highway" v="residential"/>
<tag k="cycleway" v="opposite"/>
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<way id="27244587" visible="true" timestamp="2009-01-17T17:02:47+00:00"
user="WoD">
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user="WoD">
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<tag k="motorcycle" v="destination"/>
<tag k="highway" v="residential"/>
<tag k="cycleway" v="opposite"/>
</way>
<way id="27244587" visible="true" timestamp="2009-01-19T00:17:57+00:00"
user="Scharfi">
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<tag k="name" v="Bergmannstra�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xDF 0x65,
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<tag k="history" v="Retrieved from v11"/>
<tag k="motorcar" v="destination"/>
<tag k="bicycle" v="designated"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.10f"/>
<tag k="highway" v="path"/>
<tag k="motorcycle" v="destination"/>
<tag k="cycleway" v="opposite"/>
</way>
<way id="27244587" visible="true" timestamp="2009-01-19T00:31:30+00:00"
user="Scharfi">
<nd ref="27432743"/>
<nd ref="103884767"/>
<nd ref="27432746"/>
<nd ref="27432938"/>
<nd ref="27432939"/>
<tag k="name" v="Bergmannstra�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xDF 0x65,
restart at 0x65]]e"/>
<tag k="bicycle" v="designated"/>
<tag k="motorcar" v="destination"/>
<tag k="history" v="Retrieved from v11"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.10f"/>
<tag k="motorcycle" v="destination"/>
<tag k="highway" v="residential"/>
<tag k="cycleway" v="opposite"/>
</way>
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user="Scharfi">
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<nd ref="103884767"/>
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<nd ref="27432938"/>
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<tag k="name" v="Bergmannstra�[[byte 2 isn't continuation: 0xDF 0x65,
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<tag k="bicycle" v="designated"/>
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<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.10f"/>
<tag k="motorcycle" v="destination"/>
<tag k="highway" v="residential"/>
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</way>
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<tag k="history" v="Retrieved from v11"/>
<tag k="maxspeed" v="30"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.10f"/>
<tag k="motorcycle" v="destination"/>
<tag k="highway" v="residential"/>
</way>
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user="DarkAngel">
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<tag k="bicycle" v="designated"/>
<tag k="motorcar" v="destination"/>
<tag k="history" v="Retrieved from v11"/>
<tag k="maxspeed" v="30"/>
<tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch 0.10f"/>
<tag k="motorcycle" v="destination"/>
<tag k="highway" v="residential"/>
<tag k="foot" v="yes"/>
</way>
</osm>
rj
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