Hi,
Sharing today with the International OSM Community this message, that I
sent to talk-fr yesterday, after seeing the positive reaction that it
received here.
The idea comes from the CrisisMappers mailing list, that is reactivating
in front of the Coronavirus crisis, after several years of slow activity
(since the high times of Haiti 2010 Earthquake response…)
A suggestion for each local OSM Community is to map the Elderly homes on
their territory: make sure that the very sensitive amenities in front of
COVID-19 such as Elderly homes are well, and exhaustively, mapped in OSM.
“In Italy in some of the elderly homes lost already more than 80% of
their patients”…
This data could in parallel be used as a basis for dynamic maps, for
example of risk exposure, or protection measures, etc…
Another relevant mapping theme that has been proposed, and adhered to,
on talk-fr, is mapping the Health Systems. From Intensive Care Units,
and their capabilities (number of beds, number of negative pressure
rooms, etc…), all the way, thru more general hospitals and clinics, to
individual physicists and other health care workers, pharmacies, etc…
As Jorieke stated (from the point of view of MSF) on HOT mailing list,
in thread “COVID-19 - How you can help” (see her email included as
attachment), health facilities and Place Names (also of villages,
neighborhoods, etc…), and Boundaries of these are useful for
epidemiologist and other health professionals to do contact tracing, and
mapping of cases.
Please feel free to adapt and forward this to your local communities.
Take good care, of Yourself, and of Others in the measure of Your
possibilities.
Best wishes,
Jean-Guilhem
http://twitter.com/jgVisov
Le 20/03/2020 à 12:18, Jean-Guilhem Cailton a écrit :
> Bonjour,
>
> Je partage avec vous ce message de la liste CrisisMappers, qui se
> réactive face à la crise du coronavirus, après plusieurs années de
> fonctionnement au ralenti. (Depuis la grande époque du « pic » de la
> réponse à la crise du tremblement de terre de 2010 en Haïti…)
>
> Il contient plusieurs idées pertinentes.
>
> Dont une que peut prendre en charge la communauté OSM France pour le
> territoire national : s’assurer que les lieux très sensibles face au
> COVID-19 que sont les maisons de retraites et les EHPAD sont bien, et
> exhaustivement, cartographiés dans OSM (en Italie, certaines maisons
> de retraite ont déjà perdu plus de 80 % de leurs pensionnaires…) Ces
> données peuvent en parallèle servir de base à des cartes dynamiques,
> par exemple sur le risque d’exposition ou les mesures de protection.
>
> (Et j’ai bien vu aussi le thème des services de réanimation, et
> peut-être plus largement des capacités du système de santé, proposé
> par Donat. Un thème n’exclut pas l’autre, et il y a certainement assez
> de monde sur cette liste pour améliorer la cartographie de plusieurs
> thèmes sensibles en parallèle. D’autres suggestions judicieuses
> seraient d’ailleurs aussi les bienvenues. Et chacun·e pourra choisir
> le thème sur lequel elle ou il se sent le plus à même de contribuer le
> plus utilement, et le plus efficacement, en priorité.)
>
> Prenez bien soin de vous, et des autres si vous le pouvez.
>
> Jean-Guilhem
>
>
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> Sujet : Re: [CrisisMappers] Re: COVID-19 Response
> Date : Wed, 18 Mar 2020 23:32:47 +0200
> De : Giedrius K <giedrius...@gmail.com>
> Répondre à : crisismapp...@googlegroups.com
> Pour : crisismapp...@googlegroups.com
>
>
>
> I see that focus of the talk/discussion is the COVID-19 Response in
> United States, right? China, where society in most of the cases
> listens, what the government says, while Europe, United States and
> other western countries are more liberal and experience some issues
> now. Liberal - I mean that they are not forced to stay in quarantine,
> they are asked, but not forced. Thus our all elderly depends on
> infected, if they will obey the rules or not.
>
> Viewing from First-Responders (Crisis Mappers), I think the best
> approach in that case would be:
>
> 1. Develop a solution, which would help healthcare to monitor
> quarantined people at home (not enough places in hospital) via
> technologies (Mobile phones, forms filled everyday, mapping solutions
> for local healthcare experts).
>
> 2. Map/assess elderly distribution (especially lonely);
>
> 3. Develop a solution which would enable volunteers to take care (buy
> food, inform healthcare if their health is deteriorating) of elderly
> (if not infected relatives cannot).
>
> 4. Especially take care of elderly homes - map the Elderly homes and
> their measures to fight COVID-19. In Italy in some of the elderly
> homes lost already more than 80% of their patients.
>
> 5. Establish a solution, which would use available workforce to help
> medical staff to deal with non-medical tasks.
>
> This is all what comes to my mind now.
>
> Best
>
> Giedrius
>
> On 2020-03-18 22:49, Beth wrote:
>> Hi all:
>>
>> I am working with a group of interdisciplinary researchers
>> (geographers, epidemiologist etc) who want to donate time to map key
>> data that is not yet used or available to the public.
>>
>> We don't want to replicate other efforts. If you know of things going
>> on let me know or add it to this spreadsheet. Feel free to send it
>> around!
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GmV0FyH-hdTpvVgqo6OW87NbTTk-C7xr46qPv14_UiA/edit?ts=5e7277f7#gid=0
>>
>>
>> and let me know if you want to get involved- et2...@columbia.edu is
>> my email
>>
>> Beth
>>
>> On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 1:59:02 PM UTC-4, John Crowley wrote:
>>
>> Friends,
>>
>> It has been a long while since I last posted. Today, we are
>> facing an unprecedented humanitarian emergency with COVID-19. We
>> are going to need each other to get through the coming storm.
>>
>> There is more data than ever, and with that flow, more
>> responsibility for making sense of what the WHO is calling an
>> 'infodemic' alongside the pandemic.
>>
>> Could we get a roll call of who is working information management
>> modeling, data management, and other elements of crisis mapping
>> for this response?
>>
>> I am currently at NetHope as Director of Information Management
>> and Crisis Informatics. We are in planning stage and looking at
>> the best ways to assist the 58 NGOs who are under the NetHope
>> network, likely to be around supply chains, sharing practices,
>> and forecasting.
>>
>> Looking forward to being in touch with you all again,
>>
>> John
>>
>> ______________________________
>>
>> John Crowley
>> jcrow...@post.harvard.edu <mailto:jcrow...@post.harvard.edu>
>> bostonce...@gmail.com <mailto:bostonce...@gmail.com>
>> mobile: +1 617.784.3663
>> skype: johnrcrowley
>>
>> “You cannot solve a problem from the same consciousness that
>> created it. You must learn to see the world anew.” -- Albert Einstein
>>
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Hi all,
Just sharing from the point of view of Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF). Our
teams have not requested any mapping data yet, but just letting you know
that the data that is most useful for medical interventions (Covid-19 but
also for most other health interventions) are information about where
health facilities are and place names. Locations and names of health
facilities is fairly obvious, but also place names are very important!
Names of villages, of neighbourhoods in your towns, but also the boundaries
of these, do allow epidemiologists and other health professionals to do
contact tracing and the mapping of cases. So any health facility or place
name/boundary that you add on the map is useful!
Best wishes,
Jorieke
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Op wo 18 mrt. 2020 om 00:29 schreef David Garcia <mapmakerda...@gmail.com>:
> Dear friends in OSM and HOT, these are trying, overwhelming, and perilous
> times for all of us. Please let's be kind and listen slowly to one another
> and support each other.
>
> Sincerely,
> *David*
>
> On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 at 13:07, yo paseopor <yopaseo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "I suggest you relax a little, if OpenStreetMap isn't fun try something
>> else. "
>> You have reason. I have to relax myself.
>> I have unsubscribed from this list.
>> Happy confinement.
>>
>> yopaseopor
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:51 PM John Whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There are plenty of urgent things that HOT hasn't mapped yet. What one
>>> NGO thinks is urgent another might not agree.
>>>
>>> Take look at the Import mailing list and you'll find many blunter posts
>>> there.
>>>
>>> There is a range of points of view within OpenStreetMap yours is one of
>>> them.
>>>
>>> If you go back to the response to your first posts and read through them
>>> I think you will agree they were more polite. Unfortunately you seemed
>>> unable to accept the advice given.
>>>
>>> Fredrick can come across as blunt sometimes but what he says often makes
>>> sense and I agree with him about the dangers of imports.
>>>
>>> You are in a well mapped area. The locals probably know where their
>>> local pharmacy is. From a medical point of view I'm unclear on how knowing
>>> details of where a pharmacy is is important to COVID-19.
>>>
>>> There are no known drugs at this point in time. Soap and water is
>>> probably the most effective preventive treatment, that and not going down
>>> to the pub or restaurant.
>>>
>>> For the record I have done a fair amount of validation work in HOT
>>> projects until I grew tired of poor work that took more effort to validate
>>> than map correctly in the first place. These days I spend time cleaning up
>>> the map, deleting duplicate buildings many of which have been mapped on HOT
>>> projects, connecting villages that haven't been connected with highways
>>> etc. I have had some experience with the import process and of gathering
>>> together support for the local mappers to do an import.
>>>
>>> I suggest you relax a little, if OpenStreetMap isn't fun try something
>>> else.
>>>
>>> Cheerio John
>>>
>>> yo paseopor wrote on 2020-03-17 6:25 PM:
>>>
>>> " But don't get me wrong. The problem is not the license or the
>>> discussion. The problem is you have offended me. I demand an apology."
>>>
>>> One responsible of here wrote:
>>>
>>> 1. Nothing is urgent here
>>> 2. Nobody will suddenly suffer because a pharmacy is missing from OSM
>>> 3. You sit at home with nothing else to do.
>>>
>>> What do you think about this three topics? What if some one tell that
>>> about one of the HOT projects?
>>> Think about it.
>>>
>>> If some OSM user say that to other user that would be unacceptable
>>> If some HOT user say that to other user that would be unacceptable
>>> If some HOT responsible say that to other user would be unacceptable
>>> If some HOT responsible say that to a user about user's land would be
>>> unacceptable.
>>>
>>> I don't know who you are. It does not matter.
>>> yopaseopor
>>>
>>> PD: I'm confined. For the first time ever Spanish school (as European
>>> schools) are stopped without date of return.Nor Civil War or II World War
>>> stopped the school and confined all the people. Also major part of
>>> citizens of Europe are confined. It's time to act.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 8:57 PM John Whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is a difference between HOT and OpenStreetMap. HOT adds data to
>>>> OpenStreetMap and has to follow OpenStreetMaps rules when adding data as we
>>>> all do.
>>>>
>>>> If you are mapping from local knowledge ie I can see this that is fine
>>>> by OpenStreetMap rules. The Import rules are for imports and are there for
>>>> a purpose which is to protect OpenStreetMap from having data added to it
>>>> that cannot be licensed by OpenStreetMap to its end users using the .ODBL
>>>> license.
>>>>
>>>> Getting the correct license does take time sometimes, it took me some
>>>> five years to get the local municipal open data license aligned with
>>>> OpenStreetMap. It is today and we are able import the local bus stops.
>>>> Doesn't sound like much but we have all the phone numbers to dial to see
>>>> when the next bus is coming.
>>>>
>>>> The quality of some imports made in the past has been less than ideal.
>>>> Certainly there are places on the map that have tags saying fixme this
>>>> village name maybe 2 kilometers out. I came across one village yesterday
>>>> with three different names which appeared to be from three different
>>>> imports.
>>>>
>>>> Today imports are challenged routinely. Locally I handled the last one
>>>> because the person who did it before really didn't want to go through the
>>>> aggressive challenges to the license and data quality that came from the
>>>> import mailing list.
>>>>
>>>> Remember OpenStreetMap has many members, only some of whom believe that
>>>> imports are good. Some others think if it hasn't been surveyed with a
>>>> mapper on the ground then it shouldn't be in the map.
>>>>
>>>> Cheerio John
>>>>
>>>> yo paseopor wrote on 2020-03-17 3:15 PM:
>>>>
>>>> You insult me. You have said to a confined teacher (For 1st time
>>>> ever, and it is not a joke ALL the education has been stopped in Spain sine
>>>> die) literally: "you don't have any better to do".
>>>>
>>>> My first collaboration was Italy's 2015 Earthquake , in Amatrice. In 24
>>>> hours I was mapping first the existed buildings, from Bing or something
>>>> like that. 24 hours later I was tagging the same buildings following
>>>> millitary data: red destroyed, yellow ruined , green safe structures. It
>>>> was an emergency, we had to act in that moment, with no delay.
>>>> I talk about this in a interview in a MSF Mapathon.
>>>> https://beteve.cat/ciencia-i-tecnologia/crear-mapes-des-de-barcelona-per-fer-mes-accessible-lassistencia-medica-a-sierra-leone/
>>>>
>>>> That impacted me so much. That changed my life. Nobody's tell me, Hey!
>>>> you don't have anything better to do (was on summer holidays). From that,
>>>> have I gone to 9? 10 mapathons?
>>>>
>>>> 5 years later, in a National Emergency situation one of the "Lizard
>>>> People" of OSM told me when I have to tried to complete the pharmacies in
>>>> my land , with a data set with specific permission to OSM three things:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Nothing is urgent here
>>>> 2. Nobody will suddenly suffer because a pharmacy is missing from OSM
>>>> 3. You sit at home with nothing else to do
>>>>
>>>> Tell me one reason to collaborate with HOT for Burundi or Burkina Faso
>>>> if I can't do with Catalonia or Spain, my land, with data which we have an
>>>> specific permission.
>>>>
>>>> But don't get me wrong. The problem is not the license or the
>>>> discussion. The problem is you have offended me. I demand an apology.
>>>> yopaseopor
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:53 PM Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2020-03-17 16:47, yo paseopor wrote:
>>>>> > "Nothing is urgent here. Nobody will suddenly suffer because a
>>>>> pharmacy
>>>>> > is missing from OSM. You are just making up an urgent task because
>>>>> you
>>>>> > sit at home with nothing else to do." said by Frederik Ramm to an
>>>>> > Openstreetmap volunteer who is confined at home due to #COVID19
>>>>> > completing pharmacies in a zone, yesterday.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is this the way to promote HOT tasks or promote local mapping in
>>>>> OSM. I
>>>>> > don't think so.
>>>>>
>>>>> You didn't promote local mapping, you promoted an import that has
>>>>> meanwhile turned out to be a massive copyright violation because you
>>>>> decided to act first and ask questions later - which is exactly the
>>>>> kind
>>>>> of "help" that I am advocating against. I don't doubt your good
>>>>> intentions, but I am certain that every single person in the
>>>>> humanitarian sector knows that good intentions alone aren't sufficient.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bye
>>>>> Frederik
>>>>>
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