You probably want one of these: http://goo.gl/maps/2K3XR at the closed end and one of these at the access-for-loading end: http://goo.gl/maps/AVJ8h
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:04 PM, David Fisher <djfishe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Shaun, > > I take it you're referring to Ipswich? In which case, I can sort of see > the logic. It's not "one-way", it's "no entry", so when the excepting > conditions are satisfied it becomes two-way. In Croydon's case there's > that "no motor vehicles" sign at one end, with a "no entry" sign at the > other with no excepting conditions -- so presumably the intention is for > the street to be one-way even for cyclists. (which is odd, given that > there's nowhere else obvious to go coming southbound on a cycle.) > > I'm now in contact with the local cycling advocacy group, so will see if I > can get a (more) official position on Croydon in the same way as you have > for Ipswich. > > Thanks, > > David. > > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Shaun McDonald > <sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk>wrote: > >> >> On 31 Oct 2012, at 16:02, David Earl <da...@frankieandshadow.com> wrote: >> >> > On 31/10/2012 15:29, Andy Robinson wrote: >> >> Shaun McDonald [mailto:sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk] wrote: >> >>> Sent: 31 October 2012 15:21 >> >>> To: Matt Williams >> >>> Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> >>> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 31 Oct 2012, at 14:49, Matt Williams <li...@milliams.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On 31 October 2012 14:37, David Fisher <djfishe...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> Hi all, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The pedestrianised main shopping street in Croydon has a sign with >> >>>>> the following wording: "Pedestrian Zone. No vehicles except cycles >> >>>>> and for loading 6pm-10am." >> >>>>> How would you interpret that? I see at least 3 possibilities: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> (a) Cycles permitted at any time; loading only permitted 6pm-10am >> >>>>> (this is what I guess is the correct one) >> >>>>> (b) Cycles and loading only permitted 6pm-10am (this would also make >> >>>>> sense; i.e. cycling only outside shopping hours) >> >>>>> (c) Restrictions apply 6pm-10am (clearly ludicrous!) >> >>>>> (d) Something else? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I'm guessing it's meant to be (a), but just thought I'd canvas >> >>>>> opinion before tagging. >> >>>> >> >>>> I think I agree with (a). I would find it a little strange to >> disallow >> >>>> cycling just during the day (why not just ban it entirely?). >> >>> >> >>> The centre pedestrianised bit of Ipswich has cycling banned from >> 10:30am - >> >>> 4:30pm. It does get pretty busy during that time. >> >>> http://goo.gl/maps/ouha1 >> >>> >> >> >> >> I'm not sure that's correct? Is it not just banning cyclists from >> cycling >> >> against the traffic flow during this period? The sign at the other end >> >> suggests its open to cyclists at all times in the direction of normal >> flow. >> > >> > (from your corrected link http://goo.gl/maps/SM2y9 ) >> > >> > The key thing here is the sign it is underneath. The reference to >> cyclists in the text is superfluous (and presumably not authorised by the >> DfT) because the 'low flying motorbike' sign means "no MOTOR vehicles", and >> a bike isn't a motor vehicle. That's not just pedantry: there is a separate >> sign for banning ALL vehicles, a simple red roundel with nothing inside it. >> There is no restriction on bikes at any time according to that sign. >> > >> > Their traffic engineer needs sending back to sign school. >> > >> >> So some more info on this situation. >> >> The intention was to allow cycling in both directions between the hours >> of 4:30pm and 10:30 am. With vehicles for loading and service access in one >> direction only during those hours. However it's more recently turned out >> that it's not possible to legally sign a road like that. >> >> Unfortunately there are a few cyclists who are spoiling it for everyone >> else, by cycling dangerously during the busy period, thus the probable plan >> is to not allow cycling all the time in terms of signage. (The police are >> happy to allow sensible cycling even if not allowed). >> >> Shaun >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > >
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