Yes - step_count is also very useful Jon
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 17:21, Michael Collinson <m...@ayeltd.biz> wrote: > FYI, here's the schema I personally use in Sweden, where heavy use is made > of ramped staircases, though not thankfully on major cycle routes. My > objective is to allow routers to intelligently route for both > sport/club/large group riding and happy meandering or commute: > > bicycle=yes only on very shallow low incline steps where it is is safe and > practical to cycle an ordinary bike - not common but does happen. Sometimes > on shallow slopes a gravelled or informal path to one side also exists. > > where there is a ramp: > ramp=yes > bicycle=dismount (here I am tagging on practicality rather than > legalities, Sweden is much more relaxed than UK) > ramp:stroller=yes where it is a double ramp, (a forgotten transport > demographic) > > on short or low-incline flights of steps where an alternate route would be > much longer: > bicycle=carry (informal/experimental) > > I also strongly encourage step_count=x as that gives a bicycle router more > quantitative input on whether to route or avoid. > > And lastly from unnerving Spanish experience, some sort of hazard tagging > at the top of steps where a formal cycle route plunges down a steep flight > of steps around a corner! > > Mike > > On 2020-12-14 17:34, Jon Pennycook wrote: > > resending as I think I sent it from the wrong email address. > > However, blue advisory signs about HGVs are tagged as hgv=discouraged, not > as hgv=yes despite there being a legal right of way for HGVs (sometimes, > similar signs are shown for all vehicles, eg on fords or ORPAs) - see > "discouraged" at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#Land-based_transportation > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Bicycle_Restrictions says > bicycle=dismount should be used for 'signs saying "Cyclists dismount"'. > > Any sensible router should know that most bicycles ought to dismount for > most steps in the same way they might suggest getting off and walking on a > short footway. Specifying bicycle=yes on steps may override the built-in > default (I think it does for CycleStreets). > > I would suggest not having a bicycle tag at all on steps in preference to > bicycle=yes on steps. Ramp:bicycle=yes/no is a useful tag though. > > Jon > > On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 15:31, Jon Pennycook <jon.pennyc...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> However, blue advisory signs about HGVs are tagged as hgv=discouraged, >> not as hgv=yes despite there being a legal right of way for HGVs >> (sometimes, similar signs are shown for all vehicles, eg on fords or ORPAs) >> - see "discouraged" at >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#Land-based_transportation >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Bicycle_Restrictions says >> bicycle=dismount should be used for 'signs saying "Cyclists dismount"'. >> >> Any sensible router should know that most bicycles ought to dismount for >> most steps in the same way they might suggest getting off and walking on a >> short footway. Specifying bicycle=yes on steps may override the built-in >> default (I think it does for CycleStreets). >> >> I would suggest not having a bicycle tag at all on steps in preference to >> bicycle=yes on steps. Ramp:bicycle=yes/no is a useful tag though. >> >> Jon >> >> On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 11:04, Simon Still <simon.st...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 19:18, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB < >>> talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote: >>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 19:14 David Woolley, <for...@david-woolley.me.uk> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 13/12/2020 19:05, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote: >>>> > Also, the steps should have bicycle=dismount, not =yes. This will >>>> allow >>>> > people who can't dismount to go around by the road. >>>> >>>> Only if it is illegal to try to cycle up and down the steps. Otherwise >>>> it is the duty of the renderer (router) to infer that this will be >>>> necessary because of the steps. >>>> >>> >>> The sign visible on Mapillary says (white on blue) "Steps ahead cyclists >>> dismount". That seems pretty clear to me. >>> >>> >>> >>> White on Blue ‘cyclists dismount’ signs are only advisory. It may be >>> foolish to cycle down (or up) the steps but it’s not illegal. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-GB mailing list >>> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing > listTalk-GB@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >
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