I didn't request it straight up but when the response comes down from whoever and it's positive I will request that it can be published within OSM.
Can we discuss how best to submit a proposal under OSM to them so that we cover all bases? I wouldn't be qualified to be sure I had done it correctly as I have never done it before… Donie On 1 Oct 2013, at 18:20, Daniel Cussen <d...@post.com> wrote: > That's great Donie, > > Will your request also cover openstreetmap or will we need to make a > seperate application? > > Dan > > On 01/10/2013, Donie Kelly <donie.ke...@gmail.com> wrote: >> By the state of the kmz file it was thrown together as it doesn't look like >> it was surveyed. On some motorway sections it even has the start and end >> points on different sides of the road. >> >> This may be deliberate to make it awkward to use but we have come up an >> algorithm to sort it out. >> >> My goal is to source the data and hopefully submit it to OSM for submission >> as it's a big job to add it manually. There are 727 zones at present. >> >> I would rather my app could obtain the data from OSM as it could dynamically >> update but v1 will not be doing this. >> >> I've just got a response from An Garda that my request has been passed up >> the chain. >> >> Fingers crossed. >> >> Donie >> >>> On 1 Oct 2013, at 18:04, Aidan McGinley <aidmcgin+openstreet...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> It would appear this data is subject to some form of licence that means >>> it >>> is not really "public domain". The OSM guidelines are clear about how to >>> deal with this. Approach the owner of the data and get permission to use >>> the data under OSM terms. If there's any doubts after that contact the >>> Licensing Working Group. I know it sucks to have all that process, but >>> it >>> would be a shame to use the data and then have to pull it out later down >>> the line. >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#2b._XYZ_Organisation_has_data_for_free_download_under_licence_N._Can_I_use_it_in_OSM.3F >>> >>> >>>> On 1 October 2013 17:57, Richard Cantwell <manaboutco...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Dan, >>>> >>>> The key issue here is how did the Gardai or whoever made the .kmz for >>>> them >>>> source the data. If it was traced from an Ordnance Survey map or Google >>>> Maps then we can't import it into OpenStreetMap as it is 'derived data' >>>> and >>>> has copyright conditions attached to it. My suspicion is that this is >>>> probably the case, but if you were to contact the Gardai they might be >>>> able >>>> to confirm either way. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> >>>> -=- >>>> Sent from my phone >>>> >>>>> On 1 Oct 2013, at 17:45, Daniel Cussen <d...@post.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If you read here: >>>>> http://psi.gov.ie/home/ >>>>> >>>>> It says >>>>> "The Directive has been transposed into Irish law ..which places an >>>>> obligation on public sector bodies to provide information about >>>>> material that they are prepared to release under the Directive. The >>>>> Regulations also give powers to the Minister for Public Expenditure >>>>> and Reform to require public sector bodies to supply information to >>>>> him and to specify the format." >>>>> >>>>> so I think you would still need to contact the Gardai, as far as I can >>>> make out. >>>>> >>>>>> On 01/10/2013, Donie Kelly <donie.ke...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Does this data not fall under fair use they being a public body? How >>>>>> can >>>>>> they copyright it? I'm not an expert on copyright law btw :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Can this information be obtained under the freedom of information act >>>> and >>>>>> used for whatever? >>>>>> >>>>>> Donie >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1 Oct 2013, at 17:28, Daniel Cussen <d...@post.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is copyright info here: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=1442&Lang=1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You might need to ask for permission. Anyone want to ring the Gardai >>>>>>> press office! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 01/10/2013, Daniel Cussen <d...@post.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> The data is hosted on the Gardai website. I am not sure on copyright >>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The zones can be viewed here: >>>>>>>> http://www.garda.ie/gosafe.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> More info on the actual database, and how to extract it etc is here: >>>>>>>> https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056903045 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> along with the fixed camera positions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 01/10/2013, Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 30/09/13 21:01, Daniel Cussen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I did some work in the past moving the Gardai mobile speed camera >>>>>>>>>> database over to a format for Garmin. Could someone look at >>>>>>>>>> possibly >>>>>>>>>> importing the garda data into openstreetmap? I don't know if it >>>> would >>>>>>>>>> be possible. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The database does not include the speed limits, just a start and >>>>>>>>>> end >>>>>>>>>> location. I don't know what tags should be used and how useful the >>>>>>>>>> results would be on an off the shelf sat Nav. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is also a seperate file with fixed speed camera locations >>>> (there >>>>>>>>>> are very few) which could be a related project. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ideas/thoughts? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hiya Dan. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good idea. Where did you get the data? One of the biggest problems >>>> with >>>>>>>>> importing data into OSM is that a lot of map data is copyrighted in >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> way that doesn't allow import into OSM. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Talk-ie mailing list >>>>>>> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org >>>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talk-ie mailing list >>>>> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-ie mailing list >>>> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-ie mailing list >>> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-ie mailing list >> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie >> > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie _______________________________________________ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
