Brian, On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Brian Tuffy <brian.tu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, I have started mapping some "X (part of)" townlands as exclaves now > (part of the 'parent' townland relation). This works well for the most > part. I noticed that the 'parent' Townland usually has an additional area, > for example "including 10A 1R 7P dd. portion". This area matches the area > of the exclave, so that makes sense. > > Here is a difficult example though, Although it says "Part of Rahard" it is > not obvious that it is an exclave as the 'parent' townland is about 4 > townlands to the North West (There is even a third unrelated "Rahard" to > the west which makes it difficult). I can identify the correct parent > townland by matching the E.D. and the "area ...d.d. portion". The areas > match, so it IS an exclave, but a strange one. The areas are relatively the > same size and its not obvious why it is an exclave and not another townland > with the same name. I will leave it alone for now. > exclave: > http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/?zoom=16&lat=53.63809&lon=-9. > 10907&layers=B00TTFFFFFFFFFFF > Parent: > http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/?zoom=17&lat=53.67605&lon=-9. > 161&layers=B00TTFFFFFFFFFFF They're in different civil parishes but have been drawn into the same DED. In this case, I would say that they're two separate townlands which just happen to have the same name and are being incorrectly treated as two parts of the same townland.(This is a different issue to having a single townland "split" between civil parishes.) I suspect that they will have different logainm references as well. I made a similar change last week to the two Corravillas in Shercock ED (Cavan) when I was finishing up the EDs there. > > > > Another somewhat unrelated question is, Could "Bal of Dookinnely (Calvy)" > (Ball Dumha Cinn Aille) be an exclave of nearby "Dookinnely (Calvy)" (Dumha > Cinn Aille)? In Irish, Ball can mean 'part of' and we are on Achill Island > here, so it is in the Gaeltacht. As far as I understand the (Calvy) ending > is a family name in the area. The townland was named after landowners? The > common (Calvy) part in both townlands suggests they are linked. I somehow > think that "Bal of Dookinnely (Calvy)" should still remain as a separate > townland, at least for now. > http://askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml? > action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=0&Submit.y=0&Submit=Submit& > familyname=calvy&firstname=&baronyname=&countyname=MAYO& > unionname=&parishname= > > I'd be inclined to leave it as is. > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 7:04 PM, Brian Hollinshead <br...@hollinshead.net> > wrote: > > > Re Exclave > > try Kiltiernan in County Dublin in townlands.ie > > > > and Kinnitty as CP, both enclaves belong to eslewhere external CPs > > > > On 17 February 2017 at 16:03, Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org> wrote: > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > On 17/02/17 16:38, Brian Tuffy wrote: > > > > Just to be clear, if it is "X and Y" you should treat it as "X and > > > > Y", as it says on the wiki page. If it is "X or Y" then it should > > > > be treated as "X" or "Y" in OSM but It looks like Logainm treats "X > > > > or Y" as "X or Y" and so two townland names have one ref tag. The > > > > thing is your script will look for "Lisnakirka or Milebush" but in > > > > OSM it is name=Milebush and alt_name= Lis... > > > > https://www.logainm.ie/35706.aspx > > > > > > OK, that sounds a little more complicated. I think I'll leave it alone > > > then. We can always just find townlands with an "and" and without a > > > logainm:ref and manually add them. Sometimes manually adding it is > > > quicker than programming complicated rules. > > > > > > > It confusses me why it is Lower or Northern (North is up right!! :) > > > > ) but I think it might be lower in elevation possibly? I doubt it. > > > > Upper Bavaria is the south because it rises to the alps. More > > > > interestingly, up might be to the south? you go up towards Rome in > > > > Irish?? More More interestingly, I hear that Irish is one of those > > > > languages that has an in-built sense of direction, you wouldn't say > > > > move over to the left, you would say move east.... or something > > > > like that. I am not sure about it. Anyway, back to the map. > > > > > > Usually "Upper" is upstream, and "lower" is downstream, near the mouth > > > of the river. e.g. the Upper Rhine Plane is in south Germany, because > > > that's near where the Rhine starts. So when you see "Upper X" that's > > > usually more "upsteam" or something. > > > > > > > I agree with you that it should be mapped as an exclave. I have not > > > > seen any like that so that's why I suggested to have two > > > > townlands. > > > > > > I don't know if I've seen it with townlands. 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