Thanks, I have started mapping some "X (part of)" townlands as exclaves now (part of the 'parent' townland relation). This works well for the most part. I noticed that the 'parent' Townland usually has an additional area, for example "including 10A 1R 7P dd. portion". This area matches the area of the exclave, so that makes sense.
Here is a difficult example though, Although it says "Part of Rahard" it is not obvious that it is an exclave as the 'parent' townland is about 4 townlands to the North West (There is even a third unrelated "Rahard" to the west which makes it difficult). I can identify the correct parent townland by matching the E.D. and the "area ...d.d. portion". The areas match, so it IS an exclave, but a strange one. The areas are relatively the same size and its not obvious why it is an exclave and not another townland with the same name. I will leave it alone for now. exclave: http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/?zoom=16&lat=53.63809&lon=-9.10907&layers=B00TTFFFFFFFFFFF Parent: http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/?zoom=17&lat=53.67605&lon=-9.161&layers=B00TTFFFFFFFFFFF Another somewhat unrelated question is, Could "Bal of Dookinnely (Calvy)" (Ball Dumha Cinn Aille) be an exclave of nearby "Dookinnely (Calvy)" (Dumha Cinn Aille)? In Irish, Ball can mean 'part of' and we are on Achill Island here, so it is in the Gaeltacht. As far as I understand the (Calvy) ending is a family name in the area. The townland was named after landowners? The common (Calvy) part in both townlands suggests they are linked. I somehow think that "Bal of Dookinnely (Calvy)" should still remain as a separate townland, at least for now. http://askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml? action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=0&Submit.y=0&Submit=Submit& familyname=calvy&firstname=&baronyname=&countyname=MAYO& unionname=&parishname= On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 7:04 PM, Brian Hollinshead <br...@hollinshead.net> wrote: > Re Exclave > try Kiltiernan in County Dublin in townlands.ie > > and Kinnitty as CP, both enclaves belong to eslewhere external CPs > > On 17 February 2017 at 16:03, Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org> wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 17/02/17 16:38, Brian Tuffy wrote: > > > Just to be clear, if it is "X and Y" you should treat it as "X and > > > Y", as it says on the wiki page. If it is "X or Y" then it should > > > be treated as "X" or "Y" in OSM but It looks like Logainm treats "X > > > or Y" as "X or Y" and so two townland names have one ref tag. The > > > thing is your script will look for "Lisnakirka or Milebush" but in > > > OSM it is name=Milebush and alt_name= Lis... > > > https://www.logainm.ie/35706.aspx > > > > OK, that sounds a little more complicated. I think I'll leave it alone > > then. We can always just find townlands with an "and" and without a > > logainm:ref and manually add them. Sometimes manually adding it is > > quicker than programming complicated rules. > > > > > It confusses me why it is Lower or Northern (North is up right!! :) > > > ) but I think it might be lower in elevation possibly? I doubt it. > > > Upper Bavaria is the south because it rises to the alps. More > > > interestingly, up might be to the south? you go up towards Rome in > > > Irish?? More More interestingly, I hear that Irish is one of those > > > languages that has an in-built sense of direction, you wouldn't say > > > move over to the left, you would say move east.... or something > > > like that. I am not sure about it. Anyway, back to the map. > > > > Usually "Upper" is upstream, and "lower" is downstream, near the mouth > > of the river. e.g. the Upper Rhine Plane is in south Germany, because > > that's near where the Rhine starts. So when you see "Upper X" that's > > usually more "upsteam" or something. > > > > > I agree with you that it should be mapped as an exclave. I have not > > > seen any like that so that's why I suggested to have two > > > townlands. > > > > I don't know if I've seen it with townlands. It's more common with > > Civil Parishes. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJYpx69AAoJEOrWdmeZivv2a/EIAKwvRsri1/hodVTDoy936q8w > > nrJzEdDGpfTHU/7MyyNRfcqrtAfp41x+qgr13jTmGC3yGMraM9waj9UZLdj9h7WG > > u0zLX1Lb6DX3FfSsKkXI47N3/bTCqQ5ZqdzBmAfJzjypd9fSPkTwJDBNdoiBBgCx > > UepxqQqAXgAJ+3F957dT5EcXzoP1p4pVrPTI6HI6knXNnw1F9XeICXIWQPZva7+D > > p6lDedvEQHA3Iwk7s2i1UqAXvf/TDd5ZCnJ+IO9Qm92VFmJ/N2k4umWsnQbLdKJy > > WG3R3QqiccE4IajpcJbGjgKafXuuSpLQn/7hHi6pP0j+KaE7FTp5aAh2na0FZEQ= > > =GEzN > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-ie mailing list > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > _______________________________________________ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
