Hi Stuart,
I think that the proposed workflow to add drinking water POIs is not
easy for the casual user who is not already an OpenStreetMap contributor
(and OSM contributors already add these POIs :-)). You require a casual
user to register on both OSM and Wikimedia Commons. You require to upload a
photo of the POI which gives very little added value per se.
A simplified workflow with a specialized focus on drinking water POIs would
be better. For example, let the user take a photo using the smart phone.
The photo will already have EXIF data. Among the EXIF data there are the
coordinates where the photo has been taken (latitude/longitude). Check if a
POI is already present nearby. If not, position a marker on these
coordinate with a satellite map as background. Let the user move it to
better place the POI. When the user is happy, he can submit the info and
automatically the POI should be imported in OSM and the photo in Wikimedia
Commons.
Best Regards,
Andrea
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 8:13 AM European Water Project <
europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Giovanni,
>
> A bit of feedback on the genesis of the project - I am sorry if this email
> rambles and is off topic. I promise not to repeat as this forum is for OSM.
>
> In Divonne-les-bains, France, our mayor and a developer from Perpignan had
> a project to build a water bottling project to bottle 400 million bottles
> of water in PET for export to Asia. About 1-year ago, I got very involved
> and with a couple of others we created a non-profit association called
> StopEmbouteillage. Initally, the vast majority of Divonnais and everyone
> from the municipal council supported the project.
>
> After months of hard work by a large group of active members (more than
> 7000 flyers passed out), legal action from Swiss authorities just
> across the border, and a media presence (TV, radio, press, social media) we
> were successful in changing the opinion dramatically. The mayor had no
> choice but to kill the project or deal with a riot among the citizens and
> council members.
>
> Through the process of managing the FB page for the association, I learned
> how critical the plastic situation on our planet really is. I won't go on
> too long on this subject, but in addition to multiple 7th continents of
> plastic in the Pacific which everyone talks about, the micro-plastics in
> the Mediterranean are rivers and lakes is incredibly high. According to
> recent studies, on average everyone of us is ingesting about 5 grams of
> plastic per week, in our fish, meat, vegetables and water. I decided to try
> to help make a difference with this project ... even in a small symbolic
> way.
>
> In September, when visiting my son graduating from the University of
> Bristol, inn the UK, we noticed water fountains everywhere with a Refill
> label and many cafés which had the same. After many discussions, we decided
> not to partner with Refill due to their insistence on keeping all data
> proprietary and being obliged to sell Chilly bottles. I believe that an
> open data collaborative model is better suited for the task of building and
> maintaining a global database of potable water bottle refill stations.
>
> On the 8th of January, we had the chance to be able to launch our project
> and application at the United Nations in front of 800 students for 32
> countries in the presence of Fabrizio Hochshild, Assistant
> Secretary-General of the United Nations and Doreen Bogdan-Martin, Doreen
> Bogdan-Martin, Director of the Telecommunication Development Bureau of the
> ITU.
>
> Now, to answer your question - which is a very good one.
>
> The photo approach has been chosen in large part to build user engagement
> and make the application more interactive. Adding hundred's of photos of
> standard fountains is not the goal... But here in France and across the
> border in Switzerland we have quite a few beautiful stone ones with
> enormous character. I have heard wonders about the fountains in Italy and I
> am looking forward to discovering for myself. We plan to visit Zaragoza,
> Spain later this year. Zurich, Lucerne and Bern, Switzerland are very
> active as well.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 23:11, Cascafico Giovanni <cascaf...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The project is really interesting: I often needed to find places for
>> refill as a cyclist and RV user. But still, since project aims to have a
>> comprehensive map of drinking/refilling places, I wonder why a photo
>> approach has been chosen.
>> Maybe a point-click-upload is more sexy than a boring survey app? Or
>> prospect to see your image online can trigger a sort of gamification? Or
>> both?
>>
>> Of course photos (mapillary, openstreetcam, commons or whatever) are not
>> an issue, but I don't think they will add more value to simple OSM nodes
>> with approprieate tags (BTW bottle=yes|no is important).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Il dom 19 gen 2020, 21:37 European Water Project <
>> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>>> Hi Giovanni,
>>>
>>> Our main goal is to get as many refill points for water bottles as
>>> possible on the map, either fountains or participating café and bars.
>>>
>>> And then to get people to use them and stop buying plastic.
>>>
>>> I am not sure why adding photos of fountains to Wikimedia commons which
>>> shows the fountain in its spacial context is an issue.
>>>
>>> Would you prefer the photos be linked to wikidata items and then have
>>> the wikidata item number added to the OSM node?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 20:52 Cascafico Giovanni <cascaf...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Stuart,
>>>>
>>>> I think collecting hundreds of (similar) photos is not useful for what
>>>> the project aims to.
>>>>
>>>>
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