Hi all, If these task squares are too small please let me know I can re-create the project and make them 20 sq/km instead of the 5 sq/km they are now.
But 20 sq/km is hard to "scan" in the editors so I felt 5 sq/km was as large as we wanted to go. respectfully, blake On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Mattias, > > Please do let me know if you get access to the updated imagery. > > We would need what is called a "TMS Endpoint" or WMS or WTMS. > > There is an excellent WMS end point right now that could use someone > investigating all the layers that are available, I will find it and > share it here. > > In the mean time: > > <BlakeGirardot> HERE IS THE FIRST PROJECT TO SUPPORT THE POLISH FIREFIGHTERS > <BlakeGirardot> > https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL&organisation=OSM-SE > <BlakeGirardot> Please only share that link so if we have more or > different projects, or priorities change, we do not have to worry > about people following outdated links. That link will always be good. > > please let me know if you have any questions. > > > (sorry copy pasted from #osm.se irc channel :) > > Respectfully, > Blake > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Mattias Lindblad <o...@matli.net> wrote: >> I got a response from another source, who states that Lantmäteriet for a >> long time have tried to convince the Swedish government that Lantmäteriet >> should be able to open up geographical information in cases like this. With >> little success so far. >> >> So while it seems like a relatively low probability that we will actually >> get anything this time, I believe that we really should request the data. >> If we are lucky, they might work something out. If not, well then at least >> we and Lantmäteriet have something to point at for future discussions. >> >> /Mattias >> >> tis 24 juli 2018 kl. 00:19 skrev Mattias Lindblad <o...@matli.net>: >>> >>> Yes, personally I believe it would be most helpful if we could just get >>> the Lantmäteriet HQ to give us permission to use their aerial imagery for >>> this project. I would suggest that the project defines what data is desired >>> (type of data and geographical extents) and try to get permission to use >>> this data with a compliant license. The request could probably be directed >>> both to Lantmäteriet and to the respective Länsstyrelse in order to get some >>> attention. >>> >>> If someone from the Swedish OSM community already have had some previous >>> success with data from Lantmäteriet, it is probably most efficient to reuse >>> these channels. >>> >>> I wholeheartedly support the project, but as I mentioned, I will be more >>> or less off-grid in the coming weeks and therefore not able to participate. >>> >>> //Mattias >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Mattias, >>>> >>>> I appreciate this information. My apologies you get this twice, I >>>> thought I was also sending it to the main talk-se list, so I am >>>> resending it. >>>> >>>> The issue here is that the folks requesting osm mapping is because >>>> they are used to working with OSM data. >>>> >>>> I will pass on the really helpful information about who to contact you >>>> have provided, but it >>>> would be up to the firefighters if they could make use of the data and >>>> they probably have limited time and resources to deal with the >>>> individual localities or Copernicus at the moment. They might be happy >>>> with just >>>> some printed maps from the authorities. >>>> >>>> We can not really organize any data imports as part of this process, >>>> that would be up to you and your local community to organize. >>>> >>>> Basically, we can map like we always do (we meaning us OSM mappers) >>>> and know that the some folks will use it, there might be better data >>>> available, but that is the nature of non open data, it is hard to >>>> locate and get permissions to use. If it is in OSM many folks already >>>> know where it is and how to use it. This is why OSM data is often >>>> turned to first during a crisis, even in well developed countries like >>>> Sweden and Poland. >>>> >>>> Our mapping (we OSM mappers) do not in anyway hinder the local >>>> authorities mapping or them sharing their data so I would generally >>>> not coordinate with them unless they contacted us and asked us for >>>> data in which case we would of course organize mapping to support >>>> them, but it sounds like they do not need our help at all. We (HOT) >>>> for sure do not want to bother anyone during a crisis like this. We >>>> let them >>>> do what they do best, generate excellent, up to date, but closed >>>> sourced data. >>>> >>>> So if folks are still interested in I will create a project for >>>> mapping in the areas Christoffer identified. >>>> >>>> Of course, mapping on your own in osm is perfectly fine, I am really >>>> glad to hear some of you have started mapping already, that is >>>> perfect. >>>> >>>> Thank you very much everyone for your help with this! Those Polish >>>> firefighters are already making use of your OSM data, we just want to >>>> improve it as much as we can for them! >>>> >>>> Respectfully, >>>> blake >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:41 PM, Mattias Lindblad <o...@matli.net> wrote: >>>> > My contact at the national mapping agency (Lantmäteriet) has tried to >>>> > reach >>>> > out a bit. Lantmäteriet have deployed a Geocell for assistance with the >>>> > Wildfires, and they should be quite good at arranging data. >>>> > >>>> > My contact's advice is that the OSM/HOT project should get in touch >>>> > with the >>>> > county administrative boards (Länsstyrelsen) in the affected counties >>>> > in >>>> > order to coordinate the efforts, and possibly to get access to data >>>> > from >>>> > Copernicus and other sources. When requesting data, it is of course >>>> > important to be specific about what kind of data is desired (and any >>>> > licensing issues). >>>> > >>>> > Regards, >>>> > Mattias >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Mattias Lindblad <o...@matli.net> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Hello Blake, >>>> >> >>>> >> I am trying to reach some contacts at the Swedish national mapping >>>> >> agency, >>>> >> who should have a lot of useful data. Unfortunately I will be going >>>> >> away for >>>> >> a while without proper access to my computers, so I will not be able >>>> >> to do a >>>> >> lot more than that. If I manage to get hold of some relevant contacts, >>>> >> should I direct them to you, or what's the best way forward? >>>> >> >>>> >> Regards, >>>> >> Mattias >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Thank you all for your replies. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The firefighters are from Poland and in Poland they use OSM >>>> >>> exclusively for their work. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> They do not know where they will be assigned yet so hopefully later >>>> >>> today. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> They said they generally are interested in roads, forestry roads, >>>> >>> waterways and water bodies (lakes, ponds, etc) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> So that is what they would like you to map. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Any help finding hi resolution, recent imagery (government aerial >>>> >>> imagery sources are usually best), or feedback on the existing OSM >>>> >>> layers, which are best, most recent, etc is usually the very first >>>> >>> step. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I am guessing they will be assinged to one of the 9 areas on this >>>> >>> map: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/sites/default/files/thumbnails/EMSR298-AEM-1532344797-r05-v1.jpg >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Whoops, now that I look they updated it in the last hour and now it >>>> >>> is >>>> >>> 12 areas. But I guess they will be at one of those areas. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> That map also gives you a very high level overview of the region >>>> >>> affected. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> HOT mapping is just like regular OSM mapping, but we usually specify >>>> >>> what is being requested, in this case, roads, forest roads, water. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> And the the Tasking Manager grids the area so people do not conflict >>>> >>> with each other. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I would suggest we use a private HOT Tasking Manager Project because >>>> >>> the osm-se Tasking Manager seems to have a configuration problem at >>>> >>> the moment (error on attempted login) >>>> >>> http://tasks2.openstreetmap.se/ >>>> >>> >>>> >>> HOT's main priority in a case like this is to not damage the existing >>>> >>> OSM mapping. We often work where there is no data (rural Africa for >>>> >>> example) so we do not have that worry. In Sweden, you have an active, >>>> >>> expert, group of mappers who already have a very good OSM map, we >>>> >>> need >>>> >>> to make sure we do not accidentally cause any issues for your >>>> >>> community. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> More information as I receive it...... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Respectfully, >>>> >>> Blake >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Johnny Blästa >>>> >>> <johnny.bla...@gmail.com> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>> > I am a Swedish mapper with experience mapping in the areas >>>> >>> > surrounding >>>> >>> > the >>>> >>> > fires and are willing to help with mapping. >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > /Johnny >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > Den mån 23 juli 2018 kl 13:34 skrev Björn Stenberg <bj...@haxx.se>: >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> I am a quite experienced Swedish mapper with some HOT mapping >>>> >>> >> experience >>>> >>> >> but I have never organised HOT work. I would definitely help with >>>> >>> >> a >>>> >>> >> HOT >>>> >>> >> mapping effort. >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> -- >>>> >>> >> Björn >>>> >>> >> On 23 July 2018 12:53:16 pm Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com> >>>> >>> >> wrote: >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> > Greetings, >>>> >>> >> > >>>> >>> >> > HOT received a request to improve the mapping around wild fires >>>> >>> >> > to >>>> >>> >> > support fire fighters in Sweden. >>>> >>> >> > >>>> >>> >> > Is there a local, active person, who would like to take >>>> >>> >> > responsibility >>>> >>> >> > to organize remote mapping projects to support that request? >>>> >>> >> > >>>> >>> >> > Or maybe folks who would contribute if I set up some project for >>>> >>> >> > local >>>> >>> >> > mappers only to work on? >>>> >>> >> > >>>> >>> >> > Please let me know. >>>> >>> >> > >>>> >>> >> > Respectfully, >>>> >>> >> > blake >>>> >>> >> > >>>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> >> > Talk-se mailing list >>>> >>> >> > Talk-se@openstreetmap.org >>>> >>> >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> >> Talk-se mailing list >>>> >>> >> Talk-se@openstreetmap.org >>>> >>> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> > Talk-se mailing list >>>> >>> > Talk-se@openstreetmap.org >>>> >>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>> Blake Girardot >>>> >>> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot >>>> >>> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot >>>> >>> skype: jblakegirardot >>>> >>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> Talk-se mailing list >>>> >>> Talk-se@openstreetmap.org >>>> >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>>> Blake Girardot >>>> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot >>>> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot >>>> skype: jblakegirardot >>> >>> >> > > > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------- > Blake Girardot > OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot > HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot > skype: jblakegirardot -- ---------------------------------------------------- Blake Girardot OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot skype: jblakegirardot _______________________________________________ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
