On 28 June 2010 14:14, Tiziano D'Angelo <tiziano.dang...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everybody! > > In the past months, as you probably read here, I mapped almost entirely the > bus network of Padova, Italy. Abstract: A new standard, better suited but compatible with what has been done is needed. Hi! I have also mapped almost my entire area, and I have found that the option of combining OSM with bus timetables is not presently feasible. There are the following problems: * missing important details. Just like you did, I skipped some strange variants such as special Sunday early morning runs, or collective taxis (because they tend to go wherever the people want). Also, there is at present no provision for implementing the "time" of bus lines, so at present one could be advised to take a night line at daytime. * no approved standard. Should the stops be within the line as a point, or as their physical location shows? Should we map a separate relation just for the branch of the line from the split, or for the entire line? What is the point of having two relations for two directions in Europe? IMHO Oxomoa seems way too difficult for beginners, and it's overblown. The overhead needed to maintain the standard is WAY too big. I have calculated that sticking to the standard would cost me 25 to 50% more time, with just marginally better results. The time to understand the standard is also not to be ignored. A new standard, better suited but compatible with what has been done is needed. * negligent edits (unintended 'vandalism'). I keep needing to repair the ca. 80 bus lines that I have mapped, that is some 50 regional lines times each 15-30 km, plus city lines, much easier to maintain. I practically need to repair the bus lines all the time, as when I finish, I might just as well start over. Typically people just remove small sections of the line when they map another relation, must be a bug of one of the editor. Nevertheless, I am having trouble maintaining the collection, and there is no queue of editors waiting to help. To sum it all up, at present I decided to put the lines on the map just so that openbusmap.org (ÖPNVkarte) can show them, but details must wait. I suggest that you just remember what you want to introduce, and I suggest that presently we work on slimming the oxomoa suggestion to make them scale better, that is to make them accessible to beginners, as well as usable for pros. In my opinion OSM is no Wikipedia, where one can just click Edit and produce sensible results. We need to step out to prospective editors, make the experience less of a hell for beginners. -- Best regards, mit freundlichen Grüssen, meilleurs sentiments, Pozdrowienia, Michał Borsuk
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