Hi, Sorry – I was trying to reply to that email. Afraid I’ve never really used these lists, whats the normal etiquette in replying? To the whole list (I certainly follow conversions I’ve never replied to) or just to who sent it?
Would defiantly have to be a ballpark figure for any some of capacity metric. Could maybe also do capacity:peak/offpeak or capacity:morning/afternoon/evening/night? Yes random changing always happens – but there are certainly some which you could easily put in a pattern, although I’m not sure how global it is, but its reasonably common in the UK for commercial routes to use larger single deakers during daytime services, but then the operator switches into the evening and smaller operate solo type things are used instead. Alex From: Tony Shield Sent: 14 October 2020 14:16 To: winfi...@gmail.com; Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics Cc: a...@dhawan.me.uk Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Talk-transit Digest, Vol 104, Issue 1 Agree with Jo about ballpark figure - similar operator activities occur in UK. On 14/10/2020 13:48, Jo wrote: Number of seats may work. But it would have to be a ballpark figure. Over here in Belgium, the same line uses bendy and normal buses depending on the hour of the day, or on what they have available at that specific time. On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 14:09 Tony Shield <tonyo...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Alex Michael Tsang asked a very similar question about minibus routes a few days ago. My view is that a minibus as just that - a small bus differentiated by the number of seats. From that I take the view that perhaps we should be noting the number of seats/places available on a bus service - e.g some double deckers have 80 seats, single deckers 15-60, bendy-buses - approx 140. Using seats metric could also be applied to other transport formats - so a Settle-Carlisle class 156 2 car train set has approx 150 seats, a class 800 9 car train set has 611 seats; Sydney ferries have capacities between 400 and 1150. So service capacity may be a better metric. Tony Shield TonyS999 I'm looking for community consensus about minibus routes (public transport routes which are operated by light passenger vehicles of roughly 8 to 20 seats with no standing allowed in general). As of present, there are two kinds of tagging for minibus routes: A. route=minibus (~30 routes around the world) B. route=bus & bus=minibus (~300 routes around the world) None of the tags seem to have widespread usage. Currently I can't see any renderer support for both tagging. For option A, no renderer shows them at all. For option B, they are shown as regular bus routes. Moreover, I can think of different regulatory scenarios, which may match the different usage: X. The minibus services are regulated as a separate class of service to full-sized bus routes, with different operators, network and fare structures, which may even with numbers overlapping (e.g. a minibus route 25 and another full sized bus route 25 serving the same area) Y. The minibus services form a part of the bus network but with distinct identities (e.g. a range of numbers reserved for minibus routes and another range for full sized bus routes, with different fare scales but still in the integrated ticket structure) Z. There are no distinction in the branding between bus and minibus services, the vehicle used mainly depend on the environment. Tagging A will match scenario X and tagging B will match scenario Z, with scenario Y in between in my thinking. I'm looking for input how other people map their minibus routes, and how are their routes regulated. On 13/10/2020 12:27, Alex Dhawan wrote: Hi all, Never actually sent a message to this list, hopefully this works. We’ve got a number of minibus routes around the Yorkshire Dales here in Northern England. Currently the ones that appear in OSM are just tagged as route=bus – with nothing distinguishing them from full size standard buses. Personally of your options I’d be tempted to go with B – at least here they are treated as bus routes in most ways, just happen to be minibuses. They do mostly have different branding, but in most cases are intregrated fare and ticket wise, and in some cases to overlap with standard bus routes, but do have different numbers, although there is not a set “range” so unless you know in advance you couldn’t tell from just the number. At least from my local experience they are close enough to standard bus routes for most purposes. That said to give one example – precovid I used to take groups walking or caving, and we often went on the buses and usually made a specific point of avoiding the minibus routes. We’d take out all the seats if we turned up. In the PDF timetables it will be marked if a route is a minibus, but not on journey planners/Google maps. 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