If it wasn't this dispute then it would have been another. At least now there's a precedent set for ground truth and following the local laws. One of the premises of OSM is that crowd-sourcing and local knowledge improves the quality of the maps, I think this conversation and eventual legal conclusion attained by going to the local authorities is exactly what OSM is about.
On Feb 11, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Clay Smalley <claysmal...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think it's a little ridiculous that this dispute is going so far that > anyone even consulted an expert. Obviously NE2 is wrong; we get it. This dead > horse hasn't just been beaten; it's been liquefied. Let's just let the OSM > gods deal with it, and go on with our lives. > > On Feb 11, 2013 10:35 AM, "Michael Patrick" <geodes...@gmail.com> wrote: > FYI, an official ruling from Mouseland. This email stuff is pretty cool, one > can actually directly ask somebody who is a Subject Matter Expert! ;-) > > Michael > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: FHP <f...@flhsmv.gov> > Date: Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:08 AM > Subject: RE: Legal Intersection Crossing > To: Michael Patrick <geodes...@gmail.com> > > > Dear Michael, > > > > Thanks for your inquiry. Your question is: > > > > The maneuver in question is whether one can proceed from the off ramp stop > line, proceed perpendicular across Buena Vista Dr. , and enter onto the > southbound onramp back onto southbound World Drive. > > > > The answer is “not without violating Florida law”. > > > > Point #1: The off ramp lane in your scenario is clearly marked as a “Left > Turn Only” lane by the turn arrows painted on the roadway. In your scenario, > instead of making a legal left turn, you would drive straight across the > intersection and cross a “solid white line” and enter a “Right turn only > lane” as indicated by the right turn arrows painted on the roadway. > > > > Point #2: The right turn lane on Buena Vista Dr in which you would be > entering, has a solid white line on both sides of the lane which means that a > vehicle that has lawfully entered the lane cannot exit or change lanes and no > other vehicles are permitted to cross the solid white line to enter the lane > at that location. > > > > The Florida Driver Handbook states on page 47: > > > > Solid White Line > > A solid white line marks the right edge of the roadway or separates lanes of > traffic moving in the > > same direction. You may travel in the same direction on both sides of this > line, but you should > > not cross the line unless you must do so to avoid a hazard. > > > > Since no hazard exit, this would be a violation of Florida Law. > > > > Customer Service Center > > Correspondence/Email Unit > > Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles > > www.flhsmv.gov > > > > > The Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles is committed to Service, > Integrity, Courtesy, Professionalism, Innovation and Excellence in all we do. > Please let us know how we are doing via our online customer service survey at > https://www.research.net/s/MLR9RGC. > > > > From: Michael Patrick [mailto:geodes...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 1:47 AM > To: FHP > Subject: Legal Intersection Crossing > > > > We are embedding turn restrictions in automated routing software. > > > > What is contested: > > > > The general area is west of Epcot Center, the end of the southbound off ramp > from southbound World Drive to the intersection with Buena Vista Dr. > > See attached photo BuenaVistaDrive-004.jpg ( or > > https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxor0dnxUrN2S25sLXRLUW4wb0E/edit?usp=sharing ) > > > > The maneuver in question is whether one can proceed from the off ramp stop > line, proceed perpendicular across Buena Vista Dr. , and enter onto the > southbound on ramp back onto southbound World Drive. This is shown as the > red arrow on BuenaVistaDrive-001.jpg ( or see > > https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxor0dnxUrN2M0lIY0RoUUEzUTA/edit?usp=sharing ) > > > > This seems to be indicated because of the double signal visible from the off > ramp stop line, even though at this point the road is a single lane. > Also,there is a white left turn pavement arrow on the exit ramp. > > See the red arrow on BuenaVistaDrive-002.jpg ( or > > https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxor0dnxUrN2em84TG1jb2hTcTQ/edit?usp=sharing ) > > > > Superficially, at least, it seems possible to do this without crossing the > gore markers in the intersection. > > BuenaVistaDrive-003.jpg ( or > > https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxor0dnxUrN2X1RKVzI3RXdzQzA/edit?usp=sharing ) > > > > Also, although there is only a double signal on Buena Vista Dr. eastbound at > this intersection, the stop line extends all the way across all three lanes > of traffic, including the exit only onto the southbound World Drive ramp. > > BuenaVistaDrive-005.jpg ( or > > https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxor0dnxUrN2YlotaTVMRHA2OW8/edit?usp=sharing ) > > > > After researching the Federal Highway Standards, the Florida Driver's Manual, > etc. we were unable to make a conclusion. > > > > Thank you for your time and consideration, > > > > Michael Patrick > > Open Street Map > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
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