If I understand correctly, all driveways added by Amazon Logistics (before a certain point in time) have access=private, regardless of the situation on the ground. If that is the case, I'd strongly advocate removing that tagging; access=destination *may* be correct, but since we don't know that (i.e. there are probably some number of driveways included that *are* access=private), it's better to remove the tagging and let the map data reflect that uncertainty rather than provide a guess based only on the regional norm for driveway access (which, IMO, is already implied by service=driveway).
On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 12:16 PM stevea <stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote: > There are many opinions about driveway access tags in OSM, some > (conflicting ones) even expressed here, if briefly. Plus, such semantics > can be slippery and blur among regions. > > I believe it correct that access=private tag be removed from > highway=service + service=driveway, as "private" seems too strict to > accurately describe a driveway (that's part subjunctive mood where it needs > doing, part indicative where true now). This is especially correct when > entered or deleted by a company performing delivery services — > access=destination seems much more precise, and directly in that exact > circumstance. I only tag access=private when there is a sign explicitly > prohibiting access, a gate which enforces this, or both. > > (And "I believe it correct..." is, after all, simply one person's opinion, > it is important to remind). > > There is an "implied semantic" (in my mind and I believe many others') of > how private property and driveways "work" in USA law and custom: "If > tagged highway=service + service=driveway, this MEANS it is on private > property. If you are invited by having delivery requested or are visiting > the residence (by invitation) or business (because they are open) so > attached to the road network, you may traverse. Otherwise, it should be > respected as private property, access=private is superfluous and too > strict." > > In short, I'm agreeing with Tod that an access=* tag isn't explicitly > needed, but if one is added, access=destination seems most accurate and > seems distinctly more correct than access=private. > > I would ask Alex to consider the slight modification to his proposal that > he tag driveways with access=destination, but I don't consider doing so a > hard-and-fast requirement for me to agree (again, simply one person's > opinion). It would be good for both the OSM community and Amazon Logistics > to reach a firm consensus on this, as AL will continue adding these (it's > good for them, it's good for our map). That AL has agreed to NOT add > access=private is a step in the right direction. Whether this consensus > includes whether access=destination is correct or not awaits more agreement > in our community first, then Amazon can hew to OSM's preferences. > Consensus may differ in different parts of the world, as Rory (for example) > has a better grasp on how driveways are thought of (and used, and > most-ideally tagged in OSM) in the UK, and USA-ans (weird word, I know) I > believe are pretty close to (if not 100% in line with) how I describe it > above. > > So, no access=private on driveways (unless gated or explicitly signed as > such), that's clear. As for access=destination? Requires some more > discussion and consensus and may vary by region to conform with law and/or > custom. We'll get there. > > SteveA > California > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > -- Kevin Broderick k...@kevinbroderick.com
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