And with all that said, you still have to use whatever leverage you have. VFO owes us nothing!
On 12/22/2016 6:34 AM, Tony C wrote: > Any community that is devided such as the blind community is has very > limited leverage on anything. Even united the blind community is a very > small percentage of the disabled community. > > -----Original Message----- From: Nick Sarames via Talk > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:19 AM > To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; 'Bryan Peterson' > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead! > > Of course it would be nice to have an official response from VFO, but > you're not going to get it by wining on this board. You're going to > have to find a way to exhibit some leverage, and I'm not sure that's > possible. The blindness community is somewhat fragmented, with a large > part of it being partially sighted. > > On 12/21/2016 7:01 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: >> I agree with Bryan's comments. Would also just like to add that it >> isn't difficult for VFO to provide an up-to-date statement. >> >> Vaughan. >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk >> Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:24 p.m. >> To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead! >> >> Unfortunately the continued lack of an official answer is only going >> to lead to more such speculation. As for JAWS being a very good >> program as someone who used it for ten years before switching to WE >> I'm going to have to beg to differ, but that's another topic. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim via Talk >> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:16 PM >> To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead! >> >> I agree! >> >> There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO >> regarding this topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order >> an SMA. So I think that someone is simply trying to start and continue >> totally unfounded rumors. I really do wish this list would get back >> to discussing Window-Eyes and Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting >> and >> spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it. PLEASE >> folks! Have A Great Day! de >> >> <KF8LT><Jim>. >> >> >> On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >>> I agree. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] >>> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk >>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM >>> To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead! >>> >>> until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's >>> the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my >>> friends... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: >>>> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still >>>> selling it? Pam. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk >>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM >>>> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead! >>>> >>>> And lets add to that. How about several employees leaving Ai >>>> Squared. The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling >>>> Window-Eyes. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: brice Mijares via Talk >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM >>>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead! >>>> >>>> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent >>>> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does >>>> this tell you? >>>> >>>> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote: >>>>> Hi there FOLKS! >>>>> >>>>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far >>>>> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate >>>>> future. I really cannot say as much for the long run. I called >>>>> about >>>>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for >>>>> the future as far as that goes. So Please do not start this BS >>>>> about Window-Eyes being dead again. That, I can say I would GREATLY >>>>> APPRECIATE!. <KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote: >>>>>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing. JAWS does a very >>>>>> good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job >>>>>> than Window Eyes. >>>>>> >>>>>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, >>>>>> and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and >>>>>> greatest upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like >>>>>> an Update, andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore >>>>>> you spend an extra $200. >>>>>> Then >>>>>> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has >>>>>> trouble installing on more than one or two Systems. >>>>>> >>>>>> And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I >>>>>> loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something >>>>>> else in my system that caused the system lock up. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves >>>>>> and we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear >>>>>> Grandmother's eyes, as she awaits her funeral, if we only could >>>>>> find her without someone taking our hand and leading us up to the >>>>>> old girl. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to >>>>>> do with the desperation of many who are Blind. >>>>>> Here is something to think about- I am going to go out to the >>>>>> Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad Core 3.4 I5 System with >>>>>> 16 GB of RAM, and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for $250. >>>>>> >>>>>> We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests >>>>>> them and puts them up for sale. >>>>>> So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of >>>>>> JAWS is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure. >>>>>> >>>>>> When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as >>>>>> the computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that. >>>>>> >>>>>> And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the >>>>>> owners, and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem >>>>>> with a Company doing. But there is the Greed factor that tends to >>>>>> raise its uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what >>>>>> they believe the Market will bare. And with most program sales >>>>>> getting paid for by our Government, the same government that will >>>>>> pay $600 for a Toilet Seat, why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a >>>>>> screen Reader program? After all, Uncle SAM is good for it, even >>>>>> though few people who are Blind can afford it, with most living on >>>>>> minimum wage jobs, or some level of Social Security. >>>>>> >>>>>> JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than >>>>>> Window Eyes, in some cases. >>>>>> >>>>>> I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they >>>>>> interacted with their customers. >>>>>> >>>>>> I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of >>>>>> people to work and deal with when you needed to do so. From the >>>>>> days of DOS to just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I >>>>>> Squared I felt their customer service and program support was very >>>>>> very good. And there were times when the guys could not fix what >>>>>> ever my issue was at the time. >>>>>> But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a >>>>>> problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, >>>>>> and so when I did have those times when my system would freeze or >>>>>> lock up, I was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some >>>>>> other program, including Windows Itself to be the culprit before I >>>>>> considered >>> the >>>>>> Screen Reader. That is the very high level of reliability I came to >>>>>> expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years. >>>>>> >>>>>> Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW >>>>>> Micro. >>>>>> And I do not know if this is only because some of the old staff are >>>>>> now gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or if >>>>>> what I sense is the hand of the Parent Company influencing how >>>>>> those who still work at GW Micro do their jobs. And now that A I >>>>>> Squared has been swallowed by the Parent Company of JAWS, there is >>>>>> even a greater distance theTop >>>>>> decision makers have from the every day user of Window Eyes. >>>>>> So it >>>>>> takes longer and longer to fix problems, or to make alterations to >>>>>> Window Eyes etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Personally, I need a powerful Screen Reader. I use NVDA on >>>>>> occasion, but it is not powerful enough to do everything I need >>>>>> from a Screen Reader. There may come a Day when I must buy my own >>>>>> copy of JAWS. I won't like it, but if they are the only Game in >>>>>> town, then >>> what choice >>>>>> do I have? 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