Hi Butch, I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like. I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded that not everyone can learn it. My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first. It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact. However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her iPhone 6SE. However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, the built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it answers you back.
With respect, Rod -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it works for you. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: > I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation > victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up getting a > ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader stream > and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery life > than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and > plextalk pocket. > > -----Original Message----- From: Butch Bussen > Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM > To: Russ Kiehne > Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers > > Why do you think I have one of those? > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne > wrote: > >> That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Butch Bussen via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM >> To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >> >> Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, >> touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to >> me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it >> isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the >> same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody >> should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch >> 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. >> 73 >> Butch >> WA0VJR >> Node 3148 >> Wallace, ks. >> >> >> On Tue, >> 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: >> >> > Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to >> > learn. >> > reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it on >> > turn on voice over and have fun. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- From: Don H via Talk >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM >> > To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >> > >> > Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and a >> > Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile versions >> > of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been considering >> > purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it >> > is >> > really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been using >> > NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on some web >> > pages. >> > >> > On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: >> > > Tony, >> > > >> > > I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more during the >> > > past >> > > year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all of >> > > what >> > > I >> > > feel are bugs in JAWS. It always seemed to me that many JAWS users >> > > felt >> > > that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs. On my job, both JAWS and >> > > Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while NVDA did >> > > not >> > > work with it. While I like my iPhone, I have found myself >> > > frustrated >> > > there with bugs as well. The pace of change in technology, >> > > particularly >> > > web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our access on >> > > all >> > > platforms in my opinion. I know of people who have switched to the >> > > MAC >> > > and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have >> > > switched >> > > back. Also, some of your examples are partly due to inconsistent or >> > > poor >> > > web browser support. People I have talked to who work on >> > > accessibility >> > > have told me that if a web page is at all complicated, it needs to >> > > be >> > > tested with all combinations of screen readers and web browsers to >> > > know >> > > if >> > > the page will work. There is often even browser-specific code in >> > > web >> > > sites even without accessibility. It is very possible, for example, >> > > that >> > > Netflix is running different code when you access the very same page >> > > with >> > > a MAC as you access with a Windows browser. This makes it very hard >> > > to >> > > determine where problems exist. >> > > >> > > I hope that your switch to Apple works well for you. >> > > >> > > Best regards, >> > > >> > > Steve Jacobson >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Talk >> > > [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi....@lists.window-eyes.com] >> > > On >> > > Behalf Of Tony C via Talk >> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:46 AM >> > > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >> > > Subject: Windows screen readers >> > > >> > > Hello, Before I say anything, let me first say that I was a Jaws user >> > > for >> > > several years before switching to Window Eyes back in 2004, and >> > > I’ve >> > > been a faitful WE user ever since. Why is it that everytime someone >> > > can’t use a certain website or something like I tunes or Netflix >> > > the >> > > first thing is they need to fix their website. Why is it that II a >> > > person >> > > can go to Netflix on an IOS device and using Voice Over can use >> > > netflix >> > > with no problem. Now we are talking about a free built in screen >> > > reader >> > > as >> > > opposed to an $895 and $1195 third party screen readers? I can’t >> > > use >> > > Netflix on my PC because both Jaws and Window eyes people have told >> > > me >> > > it >> > > isn’t accessible. However I can go to Netflix using my I phone or >> > > my >> > > I >> > > Pad Mini and use netflix with the free screen reader? I mean I >> > > don’t >> > > get >> > > it, support at both Jaws and WE have said it isn’t accessible and >> > > they >> > > can’t make their screenreaders work with it, but IOS does??? >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >> > > the >> > > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> > > >> > > For membership options, visit >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve.jacobson%40visi.com. >> > > For subscription options, visit >> > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > > List archives can be found at >> > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >> > > the >> > > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> > > >> > > For membership options, visit >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lmddh50%40comcast.net. >> > > For subscription options, visit >> > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > > List archives can be found at >> > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> > >> > For membership options, visit >> > >> > >> > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. >> > For subscription options, visit >> > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > List archives can be found at >> > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> > >> > For membership options, visit >> > >> > >> > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/butchb%40shellworld.net. >> > For subscription options, visit >> > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > List archives can be found at >> > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
