I agree with you. -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:51 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it works for you. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: > I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation > victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up getting a > ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader stream > and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery life > than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and > plextalk pocket. > > -----Original Message----- From: Butch Bussen > Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM > To: Russ Kiehne > Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers > > Why do you think I have one of those? > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne > wrote: > >> That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Butch Bussen via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM >> To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >> >> Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, >> touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to >> me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it >> isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the >> same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody >> should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch >> 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. >> 73 >> Butch >> WA0VJR >> Node 3148 >> Wallace, ks. >> >> >> On Tue, >> 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: >> >> > Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to >> > learn. >> > reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it on >> > turn on voice over and have fun. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- From: Don H via Talk >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM >> > To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >> > >> > Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and a >> > Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile versions >> > of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been considering >> > purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it >> > is >> > really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been using >> > NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on some web >> > pages. >> > >> > On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: >> > > Tony, >> > > >> > > I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more during the >> > > past >> > > year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all of >> > > what >> > > I >> > > feel are bugs in JAWS. It always seemed to me that many JAWS users >> > > felt >> > > that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs. On my job, both JAWS and >> > > Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while NVDA did >> > > not >> > > work with it. While I like my iPhone, I have found myself >> > > frustrated >> > > there with bugs as well. The pace of change in technology, >> > > particularly >> > > web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our access on >> > > all >> > > platforms in my opinion. I know of people who have switched to the >> > > MAC >> > > and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have >> > > switched >> > > back. Also, some of your examples are partly due to inconsistent or >> > > poor >> > > web browser support. People I have talked to who work on >> > > accessibility >> > > have told me that if a web page is at all complicated, it needs to >> > > be >> > > tested with all combinations of screen readers and web browsers to >> > > know >> > > if >> > > the page will work. There is often even browser-specific code in >> > > web >> > > sites even without accessibility. It is very possible, for example, >> > > that >> > > Netflix is running different code when you access the very same page >> > > with >> > > a MAC as you access with a Windows browser. This makes it very hard >> > > to >> > > determine where problems exist. >> > > >> > > I hope that your switch to Apple works well for you. >> > > >> > > Best regards, >> > > >> > > Steve Jacobson >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Talk >> > > [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi....@lists.window-eyes.com] >> > > On >> > > Behalf Of Tony C via Talk >> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:46 AM >> > > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >> > > Subject: Windows screen readers >> > > >> > > Hello, Before I say anything, let me first say that I was a Jaws user >> > > for >> > > several years before switching to Window Eyes back in 2004, and >> > > I’ve >> > > been a faitful WE user ever since. Why is it that everytime someone >> > > can’t use a certain website or something like I tunes or Netflix >> > > the >> > > first thing is they need to fix their website. Why is it that II a >> > > person >> > > can go to Netflix on an IOS device and using Voice Over can use >> > > netflix >> > > with no problem. Now we are talking about a free built in screen >> > > reader >> > > as >> > > opposed to an $895 and $1195 third party screen readers? I can’t >> > > use >> > > Netflix on my PC because both Jaws and Window eyes people have told >> > > me >> > > it >> > > isn’t accessible. However I can go to Netflix using my I phone or >> > > my >> > > I >> > > Pad Mini and use netflix with the free screen reader? I mean I >> > > don’t >> > > get >> > > it, support at both Jaws and WE have said it isn’t accessible and >> > > they >> > > can’t make their screenreaders work with it, but IOS does??? >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >> > > the >> > > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> > > >> > > For membership options, visit >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve.jacobson%40visi.com. >> > > For subscription options, visit >> > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > > List archives can be found at >> > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >> > > the >> > > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> > > >> > > For membership options, visit >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lmddh50%40comcast.net. >> > > For subscription options, visit >> > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > > List archives can be found at >> > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> > >> > For membership options, visit >> > >> > >> > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. >> > For subscription options, visit >> > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > List archives can be found at >> > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> > >> > For membership options, visit >> > >> > >> > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/butchb%40shellworld.net. >> > For subscription options, visit >> > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > List archives can be found at >> > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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