My I phone at least 95 percent of the time the number pad is on the screen.
If not in the center at the top is the number you are callling and you just
tap that to show keypad. It can be a pain sometimes but there are some
settings you can change to make things simpler.
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 3:31 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
Speaking of those things I don't like on the iPhone, how about when you
make a phone call into an automated system where you have to type more
numbers. The keypad is hidden when the call is answered, so you have to
tap around to unhide the keyboard to type the additional numbers. By
that time, the thing may have timed out and disconnected you. I know
that I can use headphones, but that is just another piece of junk to
keep with you.
Having said that, I won't give up my iPhone because of the numerous
things it can do for me including but not limited to GPS, internet
radio, podcasts, book reading and on and on and on.
Don Roberts
On 4/6/2017 11:31 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:
one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file
structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't even
be viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive.
***
but. . .
since i found out about the item chooser it makes
sifari browseing much easier to use.
i thought it was the same as the app switcher to switch between running
apps.
not to open a list of all the links on the web page.
-----Original Message----- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM
To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Windows screen readers
Hi Butch,
I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like.
I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but perhaps
you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded that not
everyone can learn it.
My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first.
It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact.
However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her
iPhone 6SE.
However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, the
built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it answers you
back.
With respect,
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM
To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it
works for you.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
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Wallace, ks.
On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote:
I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation
victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up
getting a
ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader
stream
and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery life
than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and
plextalk pocket.
-----Original Message----- From: Butch Bussen
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM
To: Russ Kiehne
Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
Why do you think I have one of those?
73
Butch
WA0VJR
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Wallace, ks.
On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne
wrote:
That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream!
-----Original Message----- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like,
touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to
me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it
isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the
same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody
should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod
touch
5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.
On Tue,
4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:
> Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to
> learn.
> reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn
it on
> turn on voice over and have fun.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Don H via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM
> To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
>
> Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad
and a
> Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile
versions
> of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been
considering
> purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and
wether it
> is
> really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been
using
> NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on
some web
> pages.
>
> On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
> > Tony,
> >
> > I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more
during the
> > past
> > year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at
all of
> > what
> > I
> > feel are bugs in JAWS. It always seemed to me that many JAWS
users
> > felt
> > that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs. On my job, both
JAWS and
> > Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while
NVDA did
> > not
> > work with it. While I like my iPhone, I have found myself
> > frustrated
> > there with bugs as well. The pace of change in technology,
> > particularly
> > web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our
access on
> > all
> > platforms in my opinion. I know of people who have switched
to the
> > MAC
> > and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have
> > switched
> > back. Also, some of your examples are partly due to
inconsistent or
> > poor
> > web browser support. People I have talked to who work on
> > accessibility
> > have told me that if a web page is at all complicated, it
needs to
> > be
> > tested with all combinations of screen readers and web
browsers to
> > know
> > if
> > the page will work. There is often even browser-specific
code in
> > web
> > sites even without accessibility. It is very possible, for
example,
> > that
> > Netflix is running different code when you access the very
same page
> > with
> > a MAC as you access with a Windows browser. This makes it
very hard
> > to
> > determine where problems exist.
> >
> > I hope that your switch to Apple works well for you.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Steve Jacobson
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Talk
> > [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi....@lists.window-eyes.com]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:46 AM
> > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> > Subject: Windows screen readers
> >
> > Hello, Before I say anything, let me first say that I was a
Jaws user
> > for
> > several years before switching to Window Eyes back in 2004, and
> > I’ve
> > been a faitful WE user ever since. Why is it that everytime
someone
> > can’t use a certain website or something like I tunes or Netflix
> > the
> > first thing is they need to fix their website. Why is it that
II a
> > person
> > can go to Netflix on an IOS device and using Voice Over can use
> > netflix
> > with no problem. Now we are talking about a free built in screen
> > reader
> > as
> > opposed to an $895 and $1195 third party screen readers? I can’t
> > use
> > Netflix on my PC because both Jaws and Window eyes people
have told
> > me
> > it
> > isn’t accessible. However I can go to Netflix using my I
phone or
> > my
> > I
> > Pad Mini and use netflix with the free screen reader? I mean I
> > don’t
> > get
> > it, support at both Jaws and WE have said it isn’t accessible
and
> > they
> > can’t make their screenreaders work with it, but IOS does???
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