Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Tom Kingston via Talk Wed, 17 May 2017 11:00:59 -0700

Richard,

Can you not see your incredible double standard here? Do you have 24/7hand-holding support from Microsoft on Windows and every other programon your computer?

How do you learn to do anything?

Life isn't served on a silver platter. If you want to learn somethingyou have to make it a priority. So you may have to skip a ballgame orconcert to do so. It's how the rest of us live. This world doesn'trevolve around me and my needs, my desires, and at my convenience.Just in the time you've spent running this eternal thread you could havebeen learning. You must have quite a job if you can sit there emailingthis list all day.

Regards,
Tom



On 5/17/2017 1:43 PM, Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk wrote:

No of course not however why can't these companies have people to  work  from 
home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home 
from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing 
something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't 
fix the problem next morning since I must go  to work.

-----Original Message-----
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc....@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM
To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Richard,

Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past,  who 
just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, 
find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to 
wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out?
Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and 
not as easy as you may think.

I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful 
from my viewpoint.
It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well 
as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for.

I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on 
help.
I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching 
visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation.




Regards, John

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-----Original Message-----
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet....@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM
To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

if you a computer engineer you know a lot more
than I do and people like you should help other
blind people by giving them hands on training if
you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:

Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all
need different things.  I am a computer
engineer, so I need access to some of the more
advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my
various software development tools.  Screen
readers are there to help all of us.  And that
means having lots of features that some of us
will use and that others will not. Best, Juan
Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431
(M)         |  858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite |
Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -----Original
Message----- From: Talk
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On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ
Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes
Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I
don't like that either if this what does happen.
I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365
and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my
client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as
I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel
that screne readers should be made as simple as
possible? -----Original Message----- From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc....@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday,
May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt
<st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long'
<dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re:
Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all
of the graphics were labeled in the windows live
mail app. When I arrow up and down in the
windows live maill app in jaws, it wonâ€™t say
things like, replied, forwarded, read etc.  It
does in window eyes. -----Original Message-----
From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16,
2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes
Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to
JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you
want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web
than JAWS and I believe always will be.  But not
configurable enough. All the best Steve
-----Original Message----- From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 15 May
2017 17:45 To: 'Darrell Bowles'
<dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc:
'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE:
Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Got news for one
or two user won't make a difference.  You get
what you pay for or don't pay for.  NVDA is
nowhere as good as Jaws! -----Original
Message----- From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent:
Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM To:
aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion
List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
If you really want to send a message to VFO,
either use narrator, Supernova, or donate to
NVDA! -----Original Message----- From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn....@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM To:
'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>;
'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE:
Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi Doug, Is there
any chance another company could buy window-eyes
and keep it developing in to the great screen
reader it is now? What a crying shame we blind
screen reader folks only have one choice here in
the U.S. for screen readers!! So I am again
looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to
have it back with version 3.5 and also learning
better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a good
way to go to equal Window-eyes! Regards, Roger
Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make
Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and
Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611
Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax:
608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email:
aist...@ameritech.net Web Page:
www.adaptiveinformation.org -----Original
Message----- From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech....@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent:
Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM To: Window-Eyes
Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS
Migration Window-Eyes will continue to run as it
always has.  Even if you migrate you can
continue to have Window-Eyes installed and
switch back and forth as you need to.  The only
thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be
upgraded. So 9.5.4 is the last version. Regards,
Doug -----Original Message----- From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup....@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15,
2017 10:28 AM To: Aaron Smith
<ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion
List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re:
Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Need clarity on
one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we
convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can
use WE? ----- Original Message ----- From:
"Aaron Smith via Talk"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> To:
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Sent: Monday, May
15, 2017 10:14 AM Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS
Migration Thank you for being a valued member of
the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret
to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended
in the United States and Canada. Users outside
of the United States and Canada should contact
their local distributor for options. We are
committed to our customers and will honor
existing product purchases and software
maintenance agreements, and we will continue to
provide technical support to end users that have
purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All
users who are currently using Window-Eyes can
continue to use the software indefinitely;
however, as the Windows(r) operating system
and/or applications change over time,
Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your
needs. We understand how important a screen
reader is to you and are offering JAWS(r) for
Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to
providing a smooth transition and will honor
existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as
follows. End users that paid for and are current
with Window-Eyes 9.x will be converted to JAWS
18 at no charge. If you are using an earlier
version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an
upgrade to JAWS 18. If you are using the free
version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the
free version, if you are interested in
purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team
at 800-444-4443. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will
be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end
users that migrate to JAWS. Learn more about the
migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate. To
make this process as easy as possible, we ask
you to complete a simple web form that will go
directly to our sales team, who will then
contact you with an authorization code for JAWS
18, or request additional information if
necessary. Requests for upgrades must be
submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform
or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017.
Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of
Microsoft Office version is not part of the
conversion program. If you have any questions
please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
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