Unfortunately, seems like this is yet another way they try to push the 
final point of WE as quickly as possible. Next thing is, they will turn 
down the lists, my guess is. Perhaps the only reason why they still keep 
the lists running, and App Central up, is that people actually make use 
of them.


If now, they will not allow updates to be posted, that would mean noone 
would use the App Central, so it is all good to hit the road for the 
trash-bin. And, the day too few people are active on the list, down 
which road does that take them? :)


Or, are they just awaiting the next failure of the server, then all the 
sudden just determining that no more service will be done on the 
machine, and we are left in the blue. The biggest trouble I find, is 
that VFO simply do not care to inform anyone. They sit there till things 
have reached a point, then just pull the plug. And if they even can pull 
the plug unnoticed, that is their fun. Or, why have we seen no 
announcement of the decision not to update apps, anything before. Too 
sad, as that will make it very hard for developers to do what they 
actually could, to make the screen reader stay up-to-date with the 
newest technologies out there.


Someone setting up a server, might be a good idea. And first it has to 
be done from scratch, why not open a service that would offer users a 
cross-platform service. That is, it could hold not only an app store, 
but a whole app mall. What I am suggesting is, go to the new app mall, 
and here open the link for WinEyes, if that is your screen reader. You 
will have the chance to pick and choose from WE apps. Or, if you are a 
Jaws user, go to ap mall, open the Jaws link, and choose apps from the 
list. Same with NVDA.


Sure, no apps are going to show up in all the sections, but if you 
compare it with a real mall, you don't get milk in the sportsware store 
either, do you. The big benefit of a combined service, would be that 
people had ONE place to go, no matter which screen reader they used. It 
might even encourage app developers, when they see, and read about, the 
different apps for other screen readers. That way, maybe some developers 
would be able to come up with more cross-platform like solutions. Of 
course, it even could have a subsection for IPhone apps, or those for 
Android, that are specialldesigned for visually impaired. Or, at least, 
it could hold some reviews of such apps. Further, if there could be a 
place for developers to go, and pick up articles and tutorials for how 
to build apps under different environments, this could be yet another 
way of encouraging more new apps and features to see the market, under 
any of the screen readers covered.


Thing is, I wonder how long we have to get things going. As the end-date 
of the Jaws transmission offer draws near, I have a tiny feeling we 
might not see the list servers upp running, all that much longer. OK, 
they might be using external servers, but I don't know if there is a 
subscription for them to keep renewed, in such a case, likely it won't 
be kept alive.


If anyone here thinks I am trying to be all negative, let me appologize. 
My one and only point was to accept the facts, sad as they are, and 
suggest that something else could be done to at least get the best out 
of the existing situation.


On 7/21/2017 7:50 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote:
> I would certainly be interested in such a thing if somebody could set 
> it up.
> I am thinking of a Window-eyes app page which is privately run. It 
> could be an app repository, or it might include more things, like a 
> new Window-eyes list, etc.
> Jeff Weiss
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: John Farley
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:18 AM
> To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps
>
> Dear Jeff,
>
> Some of us do intend to use Window-Eyes as long as it is viable.
>
> Would it be possible to place your updated apps on a public folder 
> somewhere where we could still access them?
>
>
>
> Regards, John
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet....@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:08 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps
>
> I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 
> apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app 
> central will be allowed.
> Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an 
> unnecessary termination of services which all of the current 
> Window-Eyes users are using.
> I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more 
> updates will be approved.
> Jeff Weiss
>
>
>
> From: Bryan Carver
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM
> To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com
> Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately 
> not be posting any further updates for apps.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified
>
> VFO� | Director Technical Support
>
> 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
>
> T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026
>
> bcar...@vfogroup.com
>
> www.vfogroup.com
>
> How am I doing?  Let
>
> Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know!
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM
> To: wesupp...@aisquared.com
> Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps
>
>
>
> I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes 
> apps on App Central.  It�s been several days, and I have not heard 
> anything�nor have I seen the updated apps come out.  I updated all of 
> the 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home 
> address since I am now retired. Please allow these updates to be 
> posted, or let me know if there is some problem.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff Weiss
>
> jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Jeff Weiss
>
> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM
>
> To: wesupp...@aisquared.com
>
> Subject: updated all of my 35 apps
>
>
>
> I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work.
>
> Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to 
> my home email address.
>
> The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows:
>
>
>
> AppsActive
>
> version 2.3
>
>
>
> AssertiveChristian
>
> Version 1.1
>
>
>
> BrailleQuiz
>
> Version 1.7
>
>
>
> BrowseModeStatus
>
> version 1.3
>
>
>
> Celebrate
>
> Version 1.1
>
>
>
> Christmas
>
> version 1.3
>
>
>
> DailyBlessings
>
> version 2.0
>
>
>
> DailyProverbs
>
> version 1.3
>
>
>
> Daily Psalms
>
> version 1.1
>
>
>
> EasterBlessing
>
> version 1.1
>
>
>
> ErrorList
>
> version 1.7
>
>
>
> FreeSpace
>
> version 1.8
>
>
>
> GivingThanks
>
> version 1.1
>
>
>
> GodsValentine
>
> version 1.4
>
>
>
> Happiness
>
> Version 1.1
>
>
>
> HushNow
>
> version 1.4
>
>
>
> LunarLander
>
> version 1.4
>
>
>
> MissionImpossible
>
> version 1.5
>
>
>
> MusicMenu
>
> Version 1.6
>
>
>
> OutlookSaveAllAttachments
>
> version 1.3
>
>
>
> PlayBack
>
> version 1.6
>
>
>
> PrayerForTheDay
>
> version 1.4
>
>
>
> PrimeNumbers
>
> version 1.2
>
>
>
> PromisesOfGod
>
> version 1.4
>
>
>
> RefreshSets
>
> version 1.4
>
>
>
> RomanNumerals
>
> version 1.4
>
>
>
> ScriptComments
>
> version 1.1
>
>
>
> Spelling Practice
>
> Version 1.1
>
>
>
> SpellingTest
>
> version 1.7
>
>
>
> StatesGame
>
> version 1.5
>
>
>
> TextToClip
>
> version 1.8
>
>
>
> TwelveGifts
>
> version 1.4
>
>
>
> WEHotkeys
>
> version 1.5
>
>
>
> WEPMInfo
>
> version 1.5
>
>
>
> WordScramble
>
> version 1.7
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff Weiss
>
> jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net
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