David,
I wouldn't be so sure about the OCR not being primed before the main
dialog appears. This is typical programming: prime the requisite pumps
before showing the window so the user doesn't have to wait after making
a choice. This is what spawned the use of splash screens. Users tend to
think of them as either a little artistic statement or an advertisement
or reminder of the program their using. But they came to be to prevent a
noticeable delay as the program primed the pumps. It gives the illusion
that the program fired right up.
Regards,
Tom
On 10/31/2017 1:52 AM, David wrote:
Tom,
Thanks for your many ideas.
Things clreared up a bit, when Larry tells us, that things happen
immediately after him pressing the hotkey. That is, before the app gets
to even show its initial dialog. Agree with you Tom, something is going
on in the initiating of the app. For some reason, I am ready to say that
tells us there is nothing wrong with the OCR, since that would likely
not be performed until after the initial dialog, and the user having
chosen if the OCR would be done on the Active, or the Focused window.
Your idea about deleting the ini file, is a good one. Basically, I would
have gone even another step further. Under the App menu in the WE
control panel, go to the add/remove, and simply remove the VirtualView.
For all chances, close Window-Eyes totally down, and restart it. Then go
ahead and install the VirtualView. This way, you will get a completely
clean install, chancing out all left-overs from previous installations.
You could even go to the Default folder, and make sure the
uninstallation had removed all residues.
If Larry could have gone through some of these steps, and let us know if
any of it brought him anything further. Got a feeling the app would run
nicely enough, but it gets hooked at the very startup. Like when your
car is out of battery, it would drive totally fine, if only you got some
power on it. Smiles.
On 10/31/2017 4:39 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
Larry,
First, no need to go to confession on Window-Eyes for Office. It's the
same program. (smile)
Like Rod, I thought of the Fall Creators update after sending my
message because from what I've read it's pretty buggy. And I haven't
updated to it either. So did this start right after installing the
Fall Update?
In reference to David's comments, it's worth disabling other apps,
especially if you use a lot of them. You can do this under Apps, App
management, App manager. If the "Show more options" check box is
checked, which you can tab down to, you can just go through your list
and hit Alt-E to disable them. Do the same again to re-enable them. I
actually disable the apps I seldom use and just enable them when I
need them and then disable them again. And compared to many I use few
apps to begin with. In my opinion less is more.
Regarding your question about the OCR component, David? The easiest
way to tell would be to close Window-Eyes, launch NVDA, and try its
OCR. It also uses the built-in Windows OCR.
I've never used it before because I too haven't gotten around to
actually learning NVDA to any real extent. But I just tried it and it
worked fine. I went into Thunderbird and while focused on a message in
the in-box list I hit NVDA+R. This is only going to give you OCR of
the focused item. So all I got was the message I was focused on. And
just to twist my brain a little the title bar in the OCR viewer is the
title bar of the window you're recognizing. But that one entry was
broken into three lines: sender, subject, date and time. And that was
all that was in the window.
Then press escape to do just that.
Regarding reinstalling the GW-Toolkit? Typically if that isn't working
most apps won't work. But it can't hurt to try.
And after pondering it a bit more I'm not so sure it has anything to
do with the dialog, even though the error is with the dlgResult
object. In this type of app I would build all the needed constructs
first, get those elements primed, and then load the dialog. But this
is where these apps being encrypted makes it impossible to do more
than toss out random guesses. I would expect any errors prior to the
display of the dialog to be caught and a message window posted to the
user. I can't imagine why just showing a dialog would suddenly start
throwing an error.
One more thing you can try is to open the Window-Eyes control panel,
Alt-F File, E Explore profile folder, find virtualView.ini and either
delete it or rename it VirtualView.ini.bak. This will default it back
to clip recognition rather than OCR if that's the active mode.
Otherwise I'm out of guesses. At least for tonight.
Wait! Hold the presses! Go into App Manager, tab down to Security, and
make sure it's set to trust all apps.
Good luck,
Tom
On 10/30/2017 9:16 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
Tom,
Thanks for the suggestion. I did look to see if Windows TIFF iFilter
was indeed checked,, and it was, but it made no difference.
The error comes up as soon as I run VV.
I must confess that I am using WE for Office, but never have
experienced this ever before. It has always been a useful app, VV
that is.
If you can come up with any other reasonable suggestions, they would
really be very much appreciated. Who knows maybe it is about time to
really knuckle down with NVDA, but I really don't wanna <smile>.
Thanks again,
Larry
On 10/30/2017 6:46 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
Hmm. You see these errors "all the time" Rod?
I don't recall ever seeing such an error. Making sure the object
exists and pausing and trying again if it doesn't should prevent
this most of the time. But of course there are always exceptions to
the rule. We can only pause and try again so many times before
assuming we're not going to get what we want. Then we should notify
the user and bow out gracefully.
If I remember right Aaron Smith wrote virtual View. And I'm sure he
incorporated proper error checking and handling.
Virtual View works fine here in Thunderbird, which is where Larry
was running it.
Larry. Given the name of the object (dlgResult) it is for a dialog.
If you're getting this error on launch before anything comes up in
Virtual view then it's on the main window creation, which is strange
because it's just an XML dialog. But if the main window opens and
you get it when pressing the OK button after making your selection
then something in that selection is throwing an error.
Just for the heck of it I'd open the Control panel, Programs and
Features.
Shift+Tab up to the Turn Windows features on or off link and
activate it.
Make sure Windows TIFF iFilter is checked. It's the OCR component in
Windows.
Hth,
Tom
On 10/30/2017 6:03 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
Hi Larry,
This looks to me like an app error similar to errors that I
encounter all the time when an app needs info which isn't ready to
be delivered to it.
If you know how to open the App Manager, simply reload the app and
see if the app then loads properly.
Alternatively, simply shut down WE with Ctrl-Insert-F4 and Enter
and then restart it using Ctrl-Alt-W.
Hth,
Rod
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Subject: An error when trying to use virtual view
Dear Listers,
I've never encountered this one before. For some reason I am
getting the
below error whenever trying to use Virtual View. I have tried
reinstalling using Apget, but this seems to do nothing to help. Any
ideas please? I just hope this isn't a sign of WE falling apart as
I speak.
I must say that this makes me a little paranoid. I'm thinking that
there
might be a bit of sabotage goin' on somewhere <smile>. But this
kind of
serious. There are just times when I find this app to be quite useful,
as I'm sure all of you do.
Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Larry
"An Error Occurred in Virtual View 5.0.5 (800A01A8)
Description: Object required: 'dlgResult'
Line: 903
Path: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\GW
Micro\Window-Eyes\users\default\virtualview.vbs.wecrypt.wsf
Signed:
Active Window Title: Inbox - larryhiggin...@comcast.net - Mozilla
Thunderbird, XUL, MozillaWindowClass
Active Window Set File: thunderbird.set
Focused Window Module: XUL, MozillaWindowClass
Window-Eyes Version: 9.5.4.0
Active Synthesizer: Eloquence
Active Braille Display: None
OS Version: 10.0 (16299) SP: 0.0
GW Toolkit: 8.6.8"
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