Tom, you wouldn't happen to know the exact filename of the Windows OCR? Just got a mind to do some testing here.
On 10/31/2017 2:22 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: > David, > I wouldn't be so sure about the OCR not being primed before the main > dialog appears. This is typical programming: prime the requisite pumps > before showing the window so the user doesn't have to wait after > making a choice. This is what spawned the use of splash screens. Users > tend to think of them as either a little artistic statement or an > advertisement or reminder of the program their using. But they came to > be to prevent a noticeable delay as the program primed the pumps. It > gives the illusion that the program fired right up. > Regards, > Tom > > > > On 10/31/2017 1:52 AM, David wrote: >> Tom, >> >> Thanks for your many ideas. >> >> >> Things clreared up a bit, when Larry tells us, that things happen >> immediately after him pressing the hotkey. That is, before the app gets >> to even show its initial dialog. Agree with you Tom, something is going >> on in the initiating of the app. For some reason, I am ready to say that >> tells us there is nothing wrong with the OCR, since that would likely >> not be performed until after the initial dialog, and the user having >> chosen if the OCR would be done on the Active, or the Focused window. >> >> >> Your idea about deleting the ini file, is a good one. Basically, I would >> have gone even another step further. Under the App menu in the WE >> control panel, go to the add/remove, and simply remove the VirtualView. >> For all chances, close Window-Eyes totally down, and restart it. Then go >> ahead and install the VirtualView. This way, you will get a completely >> clean install, chancing out all left-overs from previous installations. >> You could even go to the Default folder, and make sure the >> uninstallation had removed all residues. >> >> >> If Larry could have gone through some of these steps, and let us know if >> any of it brought him anything further. Got a feeling the app would run >> nicely enough, but it gets hooked at the very startup. Like when your >> car is out of battery, it would drive totally fine, if only you got some >> power on it. Smiles. >> >> >> On 10/31/2017 4:39 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: >>> Larry, >>> First, no need to go to confession on Window-Eyes for Office. It's the >>> same program. (smile) >>> Like Rod, I thought of the Fall Creators update after sending my >>> message because from what I've read it's pretty buggy. And I haven't >>> updated to it either. So did this start right after installing the >>> Fall Update? >>> In reference to David's comments, it's worth disabling other apps, >>> especially if you use a lot of them. You can do this under Apps, App >>> management, App manager. If the "Show more options" check box is >>> checked, which you can tab down to, you can just go through your list >>> and hit Alt-E to disable them. Do the same again to re-enable them. I >>> actually disable the apps I seldom use and just enable them when I >>> need them and then disable them again. And compared to many I use few >>> apps to begin with. In my opinion less is more. >>> Regarding your question about the OCR component, David? The easiest >>> way to tell would be to close Window-Eyes, launch NVDA, and try its >>> OCR. It also uses the built-in Windows OCR. >>> I've never used it before because I too haven't gotten around to >>> actually learning NVDA to any real extent. But I just tried it and it >>> worked fine. I went into Thunderbird and while focused on a message in >>> the in-box list I hit NVDA+R. This is only going to give you OCR of >>> the focused item. So all I got was the message I was focused on. And >>> just to twist my brain a little the title bar in the OCR viewer is the >>> title bar of the window you're recognizing. But that one entry was >>> broken into three lines: sender, subject, date and time. And that was >>> all that was in the window. >>> Then press escape to do just that. >>> Regarding reinstalling the GW-Toolkit? Typically if that isn't working >>> most apps won't work. But it can't hurt to try. >>> And after pondering it a bit more I'm not so sure it has anything to >>> do with the dialog, even though the error is with the dlgResult >>> object. In this type of app I would build all the needed constructs >>> first, get those elements primed, and then load the dialog. But this >>> is where these apps being encrypted makes it impossible to do more >>> than toss out random guesses. I would expect any errors prior to the >>> display of the dialog to be caught and a message window posted to the >>> user. I can't imagine why just showing a dialog would suddenly start >>> throwing an error. >>> One more thing you can try is to open the Window-Eyes control panel, >>> Alt-F File, E Explore profile folder, find virtualView.ini and either >>> delete it or rename it VirtualView.ini.bak. This will default it back >>> to clip recognition rather than OCR if that's the active mode. >>> Otherwise I'm out of guesses. At least for tonight. >>> Wait! Hold the presses! Go into App Manager, tab down to Security, and >>> make sure it's set to trust all apps. >>> Good luck, >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> On 10/30/2017 9:16 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >>>> Tom, >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for the suggestion. I did look to see if Windows TIFF iFilter >>>> >>>> was indeed checked,, and it was, but it made no difference. >>>> >>>> The error comes up as soon as I run VV. >>>> >>>> I must confess that I am using WE for Office, but never have >>>> experienced this ever before. It has always been a useful app, VV >>>> that is. >>>> >>>> If you can come up with any other reasonable suggestions, they would >>>> really be very much appreciated. Who knows maybe it is about time to >>>> really knuckle down with NVDA, but I really don't wanna <smile>. >>>> >>>> Thanks again, >>>> >>>> Larry >>>> >>>> On 10/30/2017 6:46 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: >>>>> Hmm. You see these errors "all the time" Rod? >>>>> I don't recall ever seeing such an error. Making sure the object >>>>> exists and pausing and trying again if it doesn't should prevent >>>>> this most of the time. But of course there are always exceptions to >>>>> the rule. We can only pause and try again so many times before >>>>> assuming we're not going to get what we want. Then we should notify >>>>> the user and bow out gracefully. >>>>> If I remember right Aaron Smith wrote virtual View. And I'm sure he >>>>> incorporated proper error checking and handling. >>>>> Virtual View works fine here in Thunderbird, which is where Larry >>>>> was running it. >>>>> Larry. Given the name of the object (dlgResult) it is for a dialog. >>>>> If you're getting this error on launch before anything comes up in >>>>> Virtual view then it's on the main window creation, which is strange >>>>> because it's just an XML dialog. But if the main window opens and >>>>> you get it when pressing the OK button after making your selection >>>>> then something in that selection is throwing an error. >>>>> Just for the heck of it I'd open the Control panel, Programs and >>>>> Features. >>>>> Shift+Tab up to the Turn Windows features on or off link and >>>>> activate it. >>>>> Make sure Windows TIFF iFilter is checked. It's the OCR component in >>>>> Windows. >>>>> Hth, >>>>> Tom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/30/2017 6:03 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >>>>>> Hi Larry, >>>>>> >>>>>> This looks to me like an app error similar to errors that I >>>>>> encounter all the time when an app needs info which isn't ready to >>>>>> be delivered to it. >>>>>> If you know how to open the App Manager, simply reload the app and >>>>>> see if the app then loads properly. >>>>>> Alternatively, simply shut down WE with Ctrl-Insert-F4 and Enter >>>>>> and then restart it using Ctrl-Alt-W. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hth, >>>>>> >>>>>> Rod >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Talk >>>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] >>>>>> On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk >>>>>> Sent: October 30, 2017 5:52 PM >>>>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >>>>>> Cc: Larry Higgins <larryhiggin...@comcast.net> >>>>>> Subject: An error when trying to use virtual view >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Listers, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I've never encountered this one before. For some reason I am >>>>>> getting the >>>>>> below error whenever trying to use Virtual View. I have tried >>>>>> reinstalling using Apget, but this seems to do nothing to help. Any >>>>>> ideas please? I just hope this isn't a sign of WE falling apart as >>>>>> I speak. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I must say that this makes me a little paranoid. I'm thinking that >>>>>> there >>>>>> might be a bit of sabotage goin' on somewhere <smile>. But this >>>>>> kind of >>>>>> serious. There are just times when I find this app to be quite >>>>>> useful, >>>>>> as I'm sure all of you do. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Larry >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "An Error Occurred in Virtual View 5.0.5 (800A01A8) >>>>>> >>>>>> Description: Object required: 'dlgResult' >>>>>> Line: 903 >>>>>> >>>>>> Path: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\GW >>>>>> Micro\Window-Eyes\users\default\virtualview.vbs.wecrypt.wsf >>>>>> Signed: >>>>>> >>>>>> Active Window Title: Inbox - larryhiggin...@comcast.net - Mozilla >>>>>> Thunderbird, XUL, MozillaWindowClass >>>>>> Active Window Set File: thunderbird.set >>>>>> Focused Window Module: XUL, MozillaWindowClass >>>>>> Window-Eyes Version: 9.5.4.0 >>>>>> Active Synthesizer: Eloquence >>>>>> Active Braille Display: None >>>>>> OS Version: 10.0 (16299) SP: 0.0 >>>>>> GW Toolkit: 8.6.8" >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>>>>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>>>> >>>>>> For membership options, visit >>>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For subscription options, visit >>>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>>>> List archives can be found at >>>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>>>>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>>>> >>>>>> For membership options, visit >>>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For subscription options, visit >>>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>>>> List archives can be found at >>>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>>>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>>> >>>>> For membership options, visit >>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For subscription options, visit >>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>>> List archives can be found at >>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>> >>>> For membership options, visit >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For subscription options, visit >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>> List archives can be found at >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. >>> >>> >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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