Bernie,
I just thought about disabling the TB enhancement script, or as they now are called "apps," to see if that would make a difference. I am going to shut down T-Bird for a while and see if that wont do the trick, and if I can do as well without it ... Will shout it from the rooftop if it does.
On 12/26/2018 3:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
Hi Larry, I also just checked the version of TB and like you I am running the 32-bit version. So, for now, don't think that is your problem. On 12/26/2018 4:02 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:Well Bernie, what it does here is say inbox just fine when first pressing the tab key, and if I'm lucky, it will let me tab down to the contents, but soon after going there, things start to happen, (God only knows what), and I have to wait from anywhere from three to five minutes for things to settle down, then things are fine. I'm not sure if I have the 32 bit version or 64, or if that would even make a difference, but it really is a pain to have to keep it open throughout the day, rather than going through all of that all over again. OK, that was easy. Just checked the about dialog box, and I'm apparently running the 32 bit version. Maybe I'll have to look at upgrading to see if that would make a difference. Hopefully wont make things even worse. Oh well. Thanks much, Larry On 12/26/2018 1:17 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:Hi Larry, I do not have any ad ons so I don't have any suggestion regarding whether it would make a difference if they are removed or not. One thing I have noticed when starting Thunder bird,is that it often doesn't speak when the program is loaded but it is really there. One way I can check this is after starting it, I wait for about three seconds and then press the tab key and it usualy responds by saying "in box. Sorry I can't help more. Bernie On 12/26/2018 1:36 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:Bernie, Just wondering if you have any issues when starting Thunderbird. Here, it takes an eternity to go through its paces and finally settle down. I have been advised to remove all add-ons, but I only have one, and that is spellcheck, which I had removed at one time, but no difference. I couldn't do email if I didn't have spellchecker <smile>. Maybe if I could remove all of the other features like chat, newsgroups etc that might help, but I really can't figure out how to do that, or even if it is possible. But there are sure lots of things I'm sure I could do without, can't remember them all. Only need T-Bird to read, write and send mail, nothing else. Do you have any ideas? If so, I'm all ears <smile>. Thanks, Larry On 12/26/2018 10:43 AM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:Hi Larry, Just this morning with reluctance, I decided to update Tbird to version 60. With the update installed, it is running fine on windows 1809 and the last version of WE. I have no problems either reading or composing messages. I have been reading messages on this list and have been trying to figure out what might be causing problems for Nick and others. I believe the problem might be coming from the WE setfiles. I will write to Nick to see if we can figure things out. On 12/21/2018 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:It may be Nick that since I am still on 1803 that the problems just haven't had an opportunity to present themselves. Are you on 1809? I think I have those version numbers correct. Anyway no feature update yet, most likely because I need to update my HD video card to a newer model, but I'm not certain about that either. Sure hope your situation improves, and mine stays the same <smile>. On 12/21/2018 6:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a component of the problem? On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll wake up with the same issue any day now. Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE. On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't read my saved drafts either. As you would expect, I can read sent messages. Woah is I. On 12/21/2018 8:16 AM, David via Talk wrote:Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it does give no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me: No Cursor Found. I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are deleted. But any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End - yields no speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have tried the Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help there either. Strange why some reports they have no trouble with the newest Thunderbird. Unless it has to do with the fact that I am still running under Win7, and likely will be for yet a while. David On 12/21/2018 1:34 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:Another thing you can try is Control+Insert+C. This makes Window-Eyes search for the cursor. It will usually say either "uses system cursor" or "no cursor found." Regards, Tom On 12/21/2018 4:19 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:Thanks Bob, yeah, similar issues - fortunately my Thunderbird contains spell check (I thinkit's Thunderbird which provides the spell check, but who knows). What stinks is, if I leave the composing window, I won't know where I am in the e-mail. I have to assume the cursor is where I left it. On 12/20/2018 9:38 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:Nick, I am using windows 10, win-eyes 9.5.4., and WLM. The same thing has been happening to me. It didn't used to do this. It started happening all of a sudden for no apparent reason. If I bring up WLM, I can write an email and see what I am writing. after that, while writing the 2nd email, I can't see or hear what I am writing. I have to close WLM and thenn open it. Then I can see what I am writing. But again, only the first email. Then have to close and re-open WLM again. -Bob -----Original Message----- From: Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:44 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Nick Sarames Subject: Re: Mail Client If anyone has a solution to the arrow problem I have, you are welcome to e-mail me privately: nicksara...@msn.com When I am composing a message, I am unable to read what I have just written. On 12/20/2018 9:01 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:I'm not sure just how much I've ultimately got to add here, but I must at least say this. My version of Thunderbird updated on me without either permission or encouragement. Naturally I did a double-take and hoped and prayed that my ability to edit would continue, and with my good luck or divine intervention, it continued to function as it should. One thing that really annoys me is that every time I go to open up the program, it takes an eternity to load and otherwise settle down. I was told that I should remove all add ons, but the only one I have is the spellchecker, and removing that didn't help either, but I wasn't going to go without that one anyway. I said all that only to say that I haven't encountered the editing problem at all, up to this point anyway - knock on wood. On 12/20/2018 6:15 AM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:On this Windows 7 machine I am still using Windows Live Mail 2012. I'm not sure where you can get it. You would need the SET files and apps that GW developed for it. It has its quirks, but works well for me. You may want to work with Thunderbird and NVDA, but I have no experience with that combination. Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD http://lras.home.sprynet.com -----Original Message----- From: David via Talk Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:02 AM To: WE English Mailinglist Cc: David Subject: Mail Client Listers, Could need a bit of info here. As you know, the latest updates to Thunderbird, have broken the accessibility when writing new messages, as well as replying to any message received. Seeing how they slowly broke down any cooperation with WE in Firefox, I do take the guess, this is just the beginning of the end for our ability to use Thunderbird along with WinEyes. I do cling to my WinEyes, among other things, due to the fact that it is the only screen reader that to a certain extent works with some websites I am relying on. Like for instance our local grocery store, where neither NVDA or Jaws will let me do my shopping properly. Only good old WinEyes. Anyway, I want to have a backup for my mailing activity, the day when Mozilla finally pulls the plug for WinEyes and Thunderbird. What alternatives do we have, now adays? I know some of you have mentioned Becky. Is that the only one? Outlook, OK, but that demands me running Office - and does it work with all versions of office? 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