On Jan 20, 2008 11:10 PM, Jo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I just walked part of a cycle route. In fact we walked three cycle
> routes at once. I would like to create a relation, type=route and then
> copy this to the two other relations containing the same ways. Or is
> there a smarter way to go about this? Could relations contain other
> relations?



Relations can contain other relations, but the cycle map won't render them.
The cycle map will only render ways.



>
>
> I have the same problem with bus routes. They also tend to overlap quite
> a bit. Oh, I think for a bus route I actually tried another trick. Open
> route in JOSM, select all ways of it, then close and add those ways to a
> another route. The problem with that approach was that backward/forward
> information was lost, so I kind of gave up and hoped a later version of
> JOSM would help me out.
>
> As for the rendering. When and how are bus/tram routes going to be
> rendered? Could it be done as an overlay? I.e. not visible all the time.
> What happens when the routes overlap? Will only one be shown? Will they
> be shown side by side (my preference), like you see on those maps from
> the public transportation? I imagine trying to achieve that would be
> quite a challenge. I believe those maps are actually drawn with human
> intervention.
>
> The same questions apply to cycle and walking routes, but they are
> rendered already on Andy's map. I'll see what happens when two/three
> routes use the same ways there.
>


You can see what happens on Clapham Common... the 3, 5, and 25 all follow
the same path across it. Unfortunately only one of the routes is indicated:
http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/osm/?zoom=16&lat=6702824.35798&lon=-16265.00202&layers=B00

What used to happen is that all 3 refs got rendered one after the other, but
then I upgraded mapnik and the behaviour change... we're slowly trying to
fix this.

The side by side spider diagrams that get used for bus routes would be quite
cool, but you're right -- they'd be really tricky to render automatically
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