Matt Amos writes: > On 10/4/09, Russ Nelson <nel...@crynwr.com> wrote: > > No, that's not the sole purpose. See my reply to Andrew which you > > should have already received. > > so the purpose is to indicate to other mappers, including via the > nonames renderer and other debugging tools, that there is no name? so > you're not tagging what's on the ground (that there is no name), > you're tagging out-of-band information that isn't useful to any > end-users of the map?
Well, anything that isn't rendered is of no use to end-users of the map, so the principle you're trying to apply here: "map for the renderer" is deprecated pretty universally. But if noname roads are rendered as such, then when you're looking for that street, you would expect to see a street without street signs. Neither you nor Andrew are getting anywhere with "but noname=yes isn't useful". I suggest you drop it. > > > let me put it a different way: maybe convergence hasn't happened > > > *yet*. > > > > That argument is not falsifiable; it is no argument at all. > > for the noname tag, it isn't measurable. Stuff and nonsense. There are 9 specific proposals, use of each of which can be counted. My point here is that you can ALWAYS point to a failure of convergence and say "If we wait longer, we will achieve success." > you asked why people are thinking that you're in favour of people > being told what to do. your answer appears to confirm that, yes; > you're in favour of people being told what to do. It appears to me as if your "being told what to do" should be interpreted as coercion, but I've repeatedly said that leadership in a voluntary organization is not coercion. How many times do I have to tell you that it's NOT POSSIBLE TO COERCE VOLUNTEERS???? Why do I have to shout to be heard? Why do I sound like your mother? "Mattie-boy, clean up your room now ... don't make me shout." > sure - you're part of the community and you're rejecting frederik's > advice. so, by your definition of hostile and your membership of the > community; some of the community is hostile to leadership. I didn't say that Frederick is evil, nor that his actions are dictated by the needs of his company, nor that he's acting like a king (and his girlfriend is a queen), nor that he's conducting bizarre breeding experiments on cute little animals. Basically, SteveC doesn't find this teasing at all funny. Not at all. He's asked that people stop it, and I'm asking y'all to stop it. -- --my blog is at http://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk