An old definition of places in Norway (do not know if it actually legal definition anymore) was as follow
Land (nation) -> herred (region) -> amt (state) -> fogd (church area) -> len (munincipality) -> by (city or town) / grend (hamlet) -> gard (farm) Some of these have been weakened with time, so that herred have been removed (also changed meaning a few times in history), amt are renamed fylke and are aout to be removed as they are taking away the administrative responsebilities of it, len have been renamed kommune, and by is not longer considered a subdevision of kommune, just having the same status (in a way), grend is a natural way to divide a rural munincipal, and gard is still part of the grend. Gard is not necessary an active farm, many of them just used to be farm, but now are a residential place for one to three famillies, surrounded by the farmland that used to belong to that farm. They are not isolated dwellings, they are just "the suburbs of a hamlet" Maybe place=farm is not the right tag for a gard (which translates farm even if there are no farming activities there), but it should be tagged different than vær, which is a small isolated place (which probably would be tagged place=village or might be considered place=isolated_dwelling) - the last one is a densely built small place, generally a fishing community, cramped around a safe port. In most cases access to only a little cultivated land, so that the population in general cannot combine farming and fishing. Many of these are so isolated that there exists no cars there. A[] _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk