The example of Kosovo in the OSM Wiki that you are quoting here has been added your friend Liz, who is in favour of your view. But there exist other views too. As far as "on the ground" does matter here, the local signs call the border "Kosovo Provincial Boundary" not "country border". The government in Pristina does not have control over all of the territory as you are claiming here. They can enter the north only under protection of KFOR(NATO) and EULEX(EU) Since you are a friend of rules defined by the OSM Wiki. How about this rule "For the sake of clarity, only political entities listed on the ISO 3166 standard are to be considered countries." which you can read here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative Afaik, Kosovo has no official ISO code, hence is no country by this definition. (XK is an inoffical code used by some organisations). What country prefix I have to dial when I want to call someone in the country Kosovo?
I am not claiming that Kosovo is no country but want to point out, that there are reasons for both views Mike Dupont wrote > > We have rules for osm, they are clear. it is the on the ground rule. > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes#On_the_Ground_Rule > On the Ground Rule > > If the dispute can not be resolved through discussion, then the simple > default rule is that whatever name, designation, etc are used by the > people > on the ground at that location are used in the non-localized tags. So in > the case of North Cyprus, this would be the Turkish names. The specific > rules are documented at > WikiProject_Cyprus#Disputed_place_names<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Cyprus#Disputed_place_names> > . > > In the case where there are multiple local names, then if the government > with effective and sustained control of the area has an official source of > names or an official stance on a naming dispute, then that name is > default. > For instance, > Derry-Londonderry<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derry-Londonderry_name_dispute> > . > > When there is no clear sustained control of an area, such as > Kosovo<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Kosovo>, > special consideration will be needed on a case by case basis. (Kosovo now > has independent government, recognised by many other countries, so this is > now less relevant.) > > OpenStreetMap is not a forum for politics, but a means for understanding. > Disputes are not to be carried out in the map, but in discussion. Any > editor who does not abide by this, and does not respect agreements in the > area, or ultimately the "on the ground" rule, risks losing the right to > participate in OpenStreetMap. Contact one of the mediators above if you > see > this kind of behavior. > > 2012/4/1 Павел Фомин <pavelfmn@> > >> 01.04.2012, 12:16, "Mike Dupont" <jamesmikedupont@>: >> >> I think we agreed here on the "on the ground rule", kosovo is on the >> ground the republic of kosovo and not serbia. >> [...] >> belgrad is not in fact control of kosovo, kosovo is its own country. >> >> >> Arrrgh. We should have rules on mapping disputed areas and partially >> recognised countries. Is OSM showing the internationally accepted >> situation >> or is it taking into account every single front line? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk@ >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> >> > > > -- > James Michael DuPont > Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@ > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Komuna-e-Malisheves-Serbia-tp5609351p5610144.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
