I was imagining a new OSM editing program and thought about making provisions in the API for editor programs to wait for edits to be approved (so that it's still posted as the actual user). But it would get too tricky, considering just conflicts for instance. So in this form it's unsuitable.
The thing is, we blame noobs often, whereas I see that it's iD's shortcomings. People notoriously add bare names to address points (without a meaningful tag) to add POIs - there are thousands of them just in Poland. Other offenders are opening_hours written in national languages. As someone said, iD editor developers aren't keen on providing warnings to the user. And their logic seems to be out of touch with mapping community. See https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2366#issuecomment-57371665 and https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2325 ). I don't buy this BS - "a name is better than nothing" - experienced mapper time is precious, period. We JOSMers often forget that iD is there and it gets neglected. Go and try mapping something, act as a person who knows nothing about OSM: you'll be surprised about how many gotchas there are that are taken for granted, even if you are a theoretical noob with ideal cognitive ability (but who only does what is said to do). For me the essence of making a noob-friendly editor is to have it more task-oriented, data-aware and leaving nothing to chance. There is a simple thing that could massively help: first select feature type, then draw it. It paves way to many improvements and benefits, such as contextual help that isn't obnoxious at all and is likely to be more effective. iD could offer some sort of "I want to..." (add a building, mark a highway one-way, and much more) oriented mini-tutorials. In these you would tell all these gotchas, like how to place a building properly (not at the roof, but at the base). Allowing regional communities to have a say in iD development is also needed. Different countries have their own conventions on street names, addresses and so on. This is marginalized currently. Oh man, what a hell of an off-topic. Michał On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> wrote: > Hi, > > On 06/15/2015 09:55 PM, john whelan wrote: >> Perhaps we need something like the HOT validation system in OSM more >> generally but I don't know how it would work. Locally OSM mappers have >> used a rich range of tags, I'd say about 25% other than highways didn't >> get rendered for one reason or another when they were initially tagged. > > On the German forum and mailing lists, occasionally newbies will pop up > and say "I've mapped this and that, could somebody have a look if > everything is correct?" > > Perhaps it could be as easy as setting a changeset tag "review=yes > please", and then a small web site listing changesets that have this tag > and don't yet have a review discussion entry or something, so > experienced mappers could look if there's something in need of review in > their area. > > I'd be very careful to make sure this is voluntary; even a hint at a > possible *mandatory* review process will immediately have everyone > pointing out where this has got Google ;) > > Bye > Frederik > > -- > Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
