Please consult all of my previous responses to the previous threads on this identical topic for the responses I would write to the inevitable responses to this thread.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Michał Brzozowski <www.ha...@gmail.com> wrote: > I was imagining a new OSM editing program and thought about making > provisions in the API for editor programs to wait for edits to be > approved (so that it's still posted as the actual user). But it would > get too tricky, considering just conflicts for instance. So in this > form it's unsuitable. > > The thing is, we blame noobs often, whereas I see that it's iD's > shortcomings. People notoriously add bare names to address points > (without a meaningful tag) to add POIs - there are thousands of them > just in Poland. Other offenders are opening_hours written in national > languages. > > As someone said, iD editor developers aren't keen on providing > warnings to the user. And their logic seems to be out of touch with > mapping community. See > https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2366#issuecomment-57371665 > and https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2325 ). I don't buy > this BS - "a name is better than nothing" - experienced mapper time is > precious, period. > > We JOSMers often forget that iD is there and it gets neglected. Go and > try mapping something, act as a person who knows nothing about OSM: > you'll be surprised about how many gotchas there are that are taken > for granted, even if you are a theoretical noob with ideal cognitive > ability (but who only does what is said to do). > > For me the essence of making a noob-friendly editor is to have it more > task-oriented, data-aware and leaving nothing to chance. There is a > simple thing that could massively help: first select feature type, > then draw it. It paves way to many improvements and benefits, such as > contextual help that isn't obnoxious at all and is likely to be more > effective. > iD could offer some sort of "I want to..." (add a building, mark a > highway one-way, and much more) oriented mini-tutorials. In these you > would tell all these gotchas, like how to place a building properly > (not at the roof, but at the base). > > Allowing regional communities to have a say in iD development is also > needed. Different countries have their own conventions on street > names, addresses and so on. This is marginalized currently. > > Oh man, what a hell of an off-topic. > > Michał > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On 06/15/2015 09:55 PM, john whelan wrote: > >> Perhaps we need something like the HOT validation system in OSM more > >> generally but I don't know how it would work. Locally OSM mappers have > >> used a rich range of tags, I'd say about 25% other than highways didn't > >> get rendered for one reason or another when they were initially tagged. > > > > On the German forum and mailing lists, occasionally newbies will pop up > > and say "I've mapped this and that, could somebody have a look if > > everything is correct?" > > > > Perhaps it could be as easy as setting a changeset tag "review=yes > > please", and then a small web site listing changesets that have this tag > > and don't yet have a review discussion entry or something, so > > experienced mappers could look if there's something in need of review in > > their area. > > > > I'd be very careful to make sure this is voluntary; even a hint at a > > possible *mandatory* review process will immediately have everyone > > pointing out where this has got Google ;) > > > > Bye > > Frederik > > > > -- > > Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > talk mailing list > > talk@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >
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