Why do you think it necessary to map at all if any particular toilet is segregated or not beyond whether I can go there as a man/woman? What is the application?
On 24/04/2018 18:27, Rory McCann wrote: > Hi all, > Let's have a wee talk about how should one map gender neutral (and > gender segregated) toilets. There is a unisex=yes for toilets which > looks like it might be the number one tag to use. The bog standard > meaning of "unisex toilet"[1] is a gender neutral toilet, i.e. not > segregated into separate male & female facilities. > > Many smaller public toilets are single occupancy and hence unisex, many > larger public toilets (e.g. in shopping centers) are segregated. Social > conservatives are mostly losing the battle on same-sex marriage, so > their new target is trans people, and they're proposing "bathroom laws" > to limit trans people's access to public life. Some organizations are > making their toilets "gender neutral" in response. So there are probably > a lot of gender neutral public toilets, and it's very useful for some > people to know where they are. > > But I don't think that's how "unisex=yes" been used in OSM. The wiki > page says "unisex=yes" is a shorthand for "male=yes female=yes". The > JOSM validator used to suggest that replacement, until I filed a bug[2]. > iD's preset has 3 mutually exclusive options, Male, Female and Unisex, > it won't let you add both male=yes female=yes. > > If I see "amenity=toilets unisex=yes", I would think this is a gender > neutral toilet. If I see "amenity=toilets female=yes male=yes" I would > think gender segregated. Big difference. > > I propose that we start viewing "unisex=yes" on toilets as meaning > "gender neutral toilet", which is different from "male=yes female=yes", > which is "gender segregated". > > Thoughts? Feedback? Anything I'm missing? Is unisex-yes tag being used > by many projects? What do they interpret it as? It's good not to force > things. > > A year ago Micah Cochran's suggestion[3] would be along these lines, but > some changed to toilets:for:unisex=yes (etc.) > > Rory > > P.S. I am doing this as part of the "Diversity Quarterly Project"[4], > which for the quarter is gendered toilets. Plenty of toilets have no > male/female (and/or unisex) tag, and we should add those tags. > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unisex_public_toilet > [2] https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/15536 > [3] > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Toilet_Tagging_Improvements > > [4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity_Quarterly_Project/2018_Q2 > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
