Another big advantage is that various tools can use this information directly from the wiki, without any 3rd party sites - i.e. iD editor gets new localized descriptions and images the moment they are updated in the wiki - and we could store other info like validation rules and even solve the "presets" conflict with this technology -- by storing the presets in the data items - community would have a direct influence on what presets should be. (TBD)
On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 7:40 PM Andrew Hain <andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > Some more advantages: > > Data item descriptions can be added for tag values that have no need for > long-form documentation separate from the key. > > Descriptions can be added in extra languages before anyone has the time to > write full documentation in that language; with support from Taginfo this > means that Map features tables can be generated automatically in all > languages and not just English. > > -- > Andrew > ------------------------------ > *From:* Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* 10 June 2019 13:30 > *To:* Tobias Knerr > *Cc:* talk@openstreetmap.org > *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] Wikibase items instead of usual templates for > wiki pages? > > > A potential benefit of data items is that language-independent > information does not need to be manually copied to each translation. > > But right now, instead of just checking the English page and the > translated page (eg Bahasa Indonesia), I have to check the English > page, the wikibase data item, and the Bahasa Indonesia page to make > sure they all match. > > > The current situation with content duplicated between > data items and wiki pages isn't really ideal. But there's probably still > some work left until data items can fully replace the existing systems. > > So for there to be any benefit, we would have to get rid of the > existing templates and switch to only using the wikibase data items, > correct? > > I think we need to discuss if this is desired, before any more time is > spent on adding all of those data items. > > -Joseph > > On 6/10/19, Tobias Knerr <o...@tobias-knerr.de> wrote: > > On 09.06.19 13:59, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > >> Has this wikibase feature been discussed and approved by the community > >> in some forum? Perhaps it happened before I was involved with OSM? I > >> don't quite understand how it works. > > > > The way it works is that every tag has a "data item". This is the one > > for natural=isthmus, for example: > > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Item:Q19327 > > > > Of course, you're not expected to find this numeric URL yourself. You > > can get there from the wiki page for that tag by clicking on a "pencil" > > icon next to the description in the infobox, or by using an > > "OpenStreetMap Wiki data item" link that appears in the left-hand menu > > on every page that has a data item associated with it. > > > > The idea behind data items is actually quite similar to how templates on > > the wiki work: There is a number of possible properties that you can > > fill in with information. The properties which are currently available > > are mostly identical to the ones used by the templates: Whether the tag > > can be used on nodes/ways/..., links to related/required/implied tags, > > an image, and descriptions in various languages. > > > > If some information is omitted from a wiki page, the infobox will pull > > it in from the tag's data item. Otherwise, the information written > > directly on the page will take precedence. > > > > A potential benefit of data items is that language-independent > > information does not need to be manually copied to each translation. And > > while software like Taginfo has been able to extract information from > > the wiki for a long time, the hope is that this kind of extraction will > > eventually become easier thanks to data items. > > > > I do not believe there has been a community decision to stop adding > > information directly on wiki pages. So the other wiki contributor's edit > > was probably premature. > > > > Of course, though, the current situation with content duplicated between > > data items and wiki pages isn't really ideal. But there's probably still > > some work left until data items can fully replace the existing systems > > (updating data consumers, plus working on usability and documentation). > > > > Tobias > > > > _______________________________________________ > > talk mailing list > > talk@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >
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