Hello/kumusta, What an overwhelming response!
This is my first time to email thru the global osm talk; it really takes true grit to join the conversations, huge thanks to the people who inspired me and sparked the flame. I will keep it short and redirect you to a (short) OSM Diary I wrote on Why WOMEN are pushing for a safe and inclusive space in OSM: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/arnalielsewhere/diary/395064 A slide from @mapmakerdavid states "it takes good relationships to navigate an ocean.” =Arnalie Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:01 PM, James <james2...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > The lack of discussion by non-men is an undeniable fact. > > >Right, this is true. Sadly true. Something I also know from Linux > >Communities and other Open Source/Open Data Communities. > > Same in programming and IT fields, firefighters, mechanics, carpenters, > construction workers, taxi drivers, etc etc... > > Now is it a simple lack of interest in the field? Gate keeping? > Discrimination/Sexism? Is it because of tradition that is still lingering? > > We should work with other humans and see why as well as question ourselves > what can we do/change? > > We should treat other fellow humans, despite sex, race or country of origin, > as we would want to be treated. > > Would you like to be put down based on your employer, despite your knowledge? > Probably not, then don't do it > > Would you like to be put down based on your genitalia, despite being quite > knowledgeable? No? Then don't do it. > >> On Thu., Dec. 10, 2020, 6:38 a.m. tilmanreinecke--- via talk, >> <talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: >> > The lack of discussion by non-men is an undeniable fact. >> >> Right, this is true. Sadly true. Something I also know from Linux >> Communities and other Open Source/Open Data Communities. >> >> > The simplest explanation for this is the systematic institutional >> > hostility towards women in the OSM community. >> >> I did not hear about something like that what can be called "systematic". >> Are you sure that we have something like that in OSM? If yes, then please >> point to where that happened. I am pretty sure that this is not something >> systematic. I know women not feeling this way as you because OpenStreetMap >> is an open and welcoming community. >> >> Greetings >> >> Sören >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive >> Behavior in the OSM Community >> From: Clay Smalley >> To: Celine Jacquin >> CC: osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org,osm >> >> >> I'm noticing a pattern here in the replies to this email: >> >> Only men have replied. This is, unfortunately, par for the course on the OSM >> mailing lists. The lack of discussion by non-men is an undeniable fact. The >> simplest explanation for this is the systematic institutional hostility >> towards women in the OSM community. The replies themselves are the best >> evidence of this. >> >> These men replying have taken it upon themselves to explain to a woman what >> constitutes misogyny. News flash: you do not get to decide what offends >> other people. If you are a man, misogyny will never happen to you by >> definition. If you are a man, you have never been, are not, and will never >> be a victim of misogyny. This isn't your area of expertise. Listen to the >> experts. >> >> Some men replying have even mentioned how this draft letter hurts their >> feelings. These men need to slow down and consider for a moment that their >> temporarily hurt feelings are less important than the safety of women. Men's >> feelings are irrelevant to issues where women are victims. >> >> As far as I know, various OSM-affiliated groups have codes of conduct, but >> there isn't one governing these mailing lists. We need to adopt a code of >> conduct yesterday. >> >> -Clay (they/them) >> >>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 2:13 PM Celine Jacquin <cel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hello everybody >>> I hope you are all well >>> >>> We, several groups, chapters, organizations and individuals, have reacted >>> to the conversation in the osm-talk-list >>> (https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-December/085692.html) >>> considering that it is an incident symptomatic of the problem we have faced >>> for many years in the community, which is one of the greatest obstacles to >>> diversity at all levels of OSM. Time to make a real change. >>> That is why we have developed a beginning of statement on the desirable >>> mechanisms to work solidly on the rules of coexistence and improve >>> diversity. >>> >>> We bring it to your attention and invite anyone who feels represented to >>> sign it. Translations are in preparation (any help is welcome): >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit?usp=sharing >>> >>> >>> On behalf of the signatories >>> Best regards >>> >>> Céline Jacquin >>> _______________________________________________ >>> talk mailing list >>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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