I don't totally disagree with Greg's characterization of "unreasonable," as "standardized / hashtagged" changeset comments are curt (even a touch rude) if they are not super-well-documented (widely vetted, spoken about...) as to what's going on, and easily have the ability to hide errors or even be potentially harmful (whether intentional or not). At the same time, John hints that entities like a National Trust can be bureaucratic and move in those kinds of ways. Well, yes.
OSM ("Open" being our first name) has a tradition of being transparent. I do like the movement away from "standardized" changeset comments to those which are "more representative." Yes, +1 there. Do better, as well as is possible here. Really, on all aspects of participating in OSM: be proud of your contributions here, National Trust (Olivia). OSM can be used as a bit of a "chalkboard" (or watercolor easel or wall to be spray-painted...) when we build things and they are under construction. Though, let's be talking to each other and agreeing that we're using tags we understand to mean what they say and say what they mean. It is not OSM asking a lot as we ask this, it is asking "the right amount." Get a path (way) or POI (node) "in" the map, first, minimally tagged (even just highway=path or add access=no until this is figured out). Accurate, higher-precision location is important, use (e.g. GPS) equipment to the best of its abilities (maybe you use a 16-channel satellite receiver unit with high trees / dense forest, for example). You can refine / enrich data in subsequent iterations, adding access, route, safety, fee-related, resources / amenities (water, restrooms), whatever you like later. Get "the bones" into the map first. The muscles and skin and hairstyles happen over time. Entities like a National Trust can use OSM for their purposes, appearing to have a toolchain (of rangers and volunteer mappers and a comm path of repetition and refinement there) which are on a longer-term. That's OK, in fact it gives plenty of opportunity to explain, document, engage in dialog, et cetera. We're here. As long as things go "good, better, best" (within a reasonable timeframe), it's good. As the data are vetted as good, they'll get better, that's simply how it works. (Openly, transparently). You (2nd person plural, including Olivia) know what to do; this is small stuff. Talk to one another, be open and better about being open...lather, rinse, repeat. I think we're fine here. _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk