Charles
Another thing I see is a lack of  conviction when it comes to learning 
tango. They think they can watch you tube  or take a group class from a second 
rate self-proclaimed wannabe “tango teacher”  and 10 minutes later hit the 
floor and bust a move. That’s tango today quick and  easy no dance skill 
required or respect for others or self. And on another note  having to explain 
the difference in show tango and salon just proves their lack  of training.
David

In a message dated 12/25/2010 9:48:18 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
c.roq...@mchsi.com writes:

<teaches
the  style of Orlando Paiva anymore.>>

Not true.  I do and have for  years, as also do others outside of 
Argentina.  Admittedly and sadly in a  minority nowadays but it depends on 
which 
circle you travel in. That is the  problem on the Tango-L list; people 
arbitrarily use labels without a knowledge  of the history and beginner dancers 
blindly accept those labels further  spreading the confusion.  Just because 
teachers describe and teach the  style of Murat and Michelle as tango de salon 
does not make it correct. The real  fault lies with the teachers spreading 
these labels around.  The fact that  someone can go to a classic traditional 
milonga such as Sin Rumbo and be  surprised to see close-embrace dancing 
(something that has been common there for  years) says more about their 
knowledge 
and experience than it does about the  dancing at Sin  Rumbo.

Charles
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