Look, I am not saying that because of personal preferences. We are really easy -- it is trivial for us to create a custom version of Tapestry that works with the 2.1 Servet API. We have already done something like that on a number of occasions (our current distribution of choice is a modified 2.2, for example), so this is not a problem for us at all.
My concern is that there are a lot of really major clients out there who are stuck with 2.1 for various reasons. In fact, the bigger the client, the more likely it is that they use outdated software in my personal observation. And you cannot really tell a major financial institution, for example, that their setup is outdated and they have to upgrade to run your software. They will tell you to go to hell, instead. In other words, this really has the potential to hurt Tapestry's adoption -- very few people can afford to do what we've done, and a lot of bad press could be generated over it. Having separate distributions for the 2.1 and 2.3 Servlet APIs is also the last thing that we need. As I said earlier, I think the ideal compromise would be to have only non-essential parts of Tapestry (such as Tapestry Lite) dependent on 2.3, but keep the Tapestry core working fine with 2.1. If I understand correctly Howard, 2.3 functionality is only needed for Tapestry Lite anyway. This approach would at least turn the problem from a critical one, into one with a relatively easy workaround. Does this make more sense now? -mb ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Solis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 1:13 AM Subject: RE: [Tapestry-developer] Servlet API 2.3 > Well, I'd like to use filters with Tapestry and use it as an XML engine. > > Regards > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:tapestry- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mindbridge > > Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 3:07 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Tapestry-developer] Servlet API 2.3 > > > > Normally I am all for new things, but here I have to agree with Eric. > > > > We have a number of clients that have rather old versions of various > > software, including really really old installations of Tomcat > (security > > holes and all). They are not willing to upgrade either. And I am not > > talking > > about small companies here, but rather about companies that have their > own > > major buildings in the center of London (don't want to mention names > at > > the > > moment) > > > > Btw, I can see how getResourcePaths() will help with the > implementation of > > Tapestry Lite. Perhaps if Tapestry can make a runtime determination of > the > > servlet API version available and decide on a course of action based > on > > it, > > so that it can work with both 2.1 and 2.3, that would be ideal. > Basically, > > if only non-essential parts are dependent on 2.3, then that would make > it > > workable. > > > > Best regards, > > -mb > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Schneider, Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 10:46 PM > > Subject: RE: [Tapestry-developer] Servlet API 2.3 > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I would ask that you not go for it. We have a large client that > uses > > > iPlanet/SunOne server. The current 'enterprise' version is 6.5, > which > > isn't > > > 2.3 compliant or compatible with the 1.4 jdk. The recent 7.0 > release is > > > just fluff. They left out major features included in the 6.5 > version. > > The > > > 'real' 7.0 release is scheduled for May of next year. > > > > > > Using 2.3 features in tapestry would definitely cause problems on > this > > app > > > server. If it's not necessary, I'd say wait a bit longer. > > > > > > BTW, I'd like to add that iPlanet completely sucks. Avoid it like > the > > > plague. > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Luis Neves [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 3:02 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: [Tapestry-developer] Servlet API 2.3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See: > > > > http://java.sun.com/products/servlet/industry.html > > > > > > > > Looking at the list of servers that suppport the Servlet API > > > > 2.3 I say go for > > > > it. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Luis Neves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday 02 December 2002 15:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Currently, Tapestry uses no features of the Servlet API > > > > newer than 2.1. > > > > > > > > > > What would be the impact of ratcheting Tapestry forward to > > > > Servlet API 2.3? > > > > > > > > > > There are features in 2.3 that would simplify and improve > > > > implementation of > > > > > Tapestry Lite. For example, > > > > ServletContext.getResourcePaths() which allows > > > > > the application to list files in the context. > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, not all servers support 2.3. WebSphere > > > > 4 has always > > > > > been lagging ... WebLogic 6 seems to have only partial > > > > support. What about > > > > > Resin and others? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Get the new Palm Tungsten T > > > > handheld. 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