Hello Paula,
Sunday, February 13, 2000, 6:50:48 PM, you wrote:
> Hello Owners,
> I ask you to please review Steve Lamb's latests "contributions" to
> the TBUDL, particularly in the thread "Why not highlighting the newest
> message in the folder?"
> Not only does Mr. Lamb provoke flame wars, which involve personal
> insults and language that I feel has no place on a mailing list like
> this one, but he sets a tone for the list that is sure to intimidate, if
> not scare off, all but the hardiest of people or those numb to the ways
> of Usenet or worse, those that actually enjoy that type of nonsense. I
> personally know of people who have left the list, because they are
> grown-ups who simply don't have time for this kind of Internet BS.
> Note that the person who originated the "highlighting the newest
> message" said nothing further. If you review Mr. Lamb's postings to the
> list, you'll find that that is a pattern, no doubt intended by himself.
> If someone does dare to disagree with his views, he immediately turns
> nasty and resorts to childish namecalling. I'd also like to point out
> that Mr. Lamb very rarely provides any assistance. In most Internet
> venues, such behavior would classify him as a troll. Morevover, many of
> his posts to the list explicitly violate the list rules and guidelines.
> Some long-time users of the list have developed an amused tolerance for
> Mr. Lamb and his ways; others have him in their kill filter. But, I ask
> you to consider the overall effect that he has on the list and,
> particularly on newcomers, as he doesn't hesitate to turn his vitriole
> on an innocent first-time poster.
> I assume that we all have the best interest of RIT Labs and TB at heart.
> A small-time program, like TB, can benefit greatly from creating a sense
> of community among its users, and this is probably the greatest service
> TBUDL provides - or could provide. Mr. Lamb, unfortunately, undermines
> that sense of community. In fact, I feel that as long as Mr. Lamb is
> left to his own devices, TBUDL is likely doing TB more harm than good.
> Trolls deserve the death penalty, IMO, especially when they persist in
> behavior, despite warnings. But, perhaps you could banish him to the TB
> beta list, where he can argue all he wants about "new" features with a
> more limited group of long-time users.
> I would appreciate your letting me know if you're not going to do
> anything about Mr. Lamb, because I find it painful to watch how he
> treats people and will have to leave the list. It was rather nice when
> he was on vacation, but now my tolerance of him is even less after the
> refreshing, but all too brief, respite.
Dear Paula (and others),
Thank you for your timely comments. I wrote the following letter
*before* your reply. As I am one of those who have quit the list
several times because of Mr. Lamb, I decided to send this as was
written.
______________________________________________________________________________________
Greetings,
I'm still trying to decide who is worse, Steve Lamb, or the rest of us
who tolerate his foul-mouthed stupidity. It's amazing how uncouth and
just plain idiotic some people can be - hiding behind a computer
screen. This guy is sickening, and I sure wish some of you would wake
up and take notice. I don't consider him a great asset to this list -
to the contrary - I consider him a detriment to an otherwise fine
list. Many of us (and there are many) love The Bat! for our own little
inexperienced layman reasons, and I have a strong hunch that our
support for this software goes a lot deeper than this big-mouthed
blowhard who is pretty good at spitting on every opinion that didn't
originate with him. I cringe when I read someone complimenting Lamb on
*anything* he says. The attitude seems to be, "Oh he's rude and
uncouth and arrogant, but he has soooo much good to contribute."
Hogwash! - I'm not about to reach down to the bottom of a garbage can
just because there's a sandwich there! In my opinion, he long ago lost
the right to be heard. I personally am not impressed with how
intelligent and experienced one might be - if that person doesn't know
how to express his opinion in a civilized way - I don't need or want
his opinion. Life is too short to put up with that kind of
foolishness. The folks at RIT Labs seem to have gotten along pretty
well before Steve Lamb came on the scene, and I'm absolutely positive
they can continue to build great software without his kind of input. I
can tolerate plenty of difference of opinion - but when someone lowers
himself to the place of calling someone else a "whining prick" just
because they dare to differ with him - that person is less than
worthless to me! It appears to me that he could use some professional
help. Steve, please do The Bat! a favor and go find someplace else to
vent your wrath & frustration! You'll drive away more prospective
supporters of The Bat! than you will ever contribute. It is obvious
from the various comments that I read, that many others will support
The Bat! for the very reasons that you would leave it. Your opinions
are just that - your opinions. I frankly don't care to hear them. I
support The Bat! (and will continue to support it) in spite of you -
not because of you.
Larry Barrett
São Paulo, Brasil
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Best regards,
Larry mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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